xingu wrote-
Quote:What's wrong Spendius? Can't you feel good about yourself on your own? Why do you need a church to make you feel better about yourself? Is that task too tough for you to handle on your own?
Where do I come in? I never said anything about me did I. If I did I made a mistake. If I come into it it gets subjective. I'm presenting an argument not talking about myself.
The phenomenum of "uplift" from religious ceremonial and from lesser events inspired by those ceremonials is too well known to need discussion. The fact of it's continued existence through peace and war, through monarchies, dictatorships, democracies, famines, plagues and all sorts of various conditions of society, even in some communist societies, is proof of its elemental nature. It is a survivor. It must be "fit" by your own standards.
What does atheistic materialism offer to replace it? Novelty, drugs, kicks etc. all of which have quite tight limits and are soon used up, or the worship of The Great Leader and The State.
And there's no such thing as Christian materialism. You are confusing the ideal Christian with human weakness. Possibly necessary weakness I'll admit but it still says nothing about the ideal to aim towards and which must be be held in view for us to aim at it.
And how do you propose differentiating between authentic "uplift" and asserted "uplift" such as "I'm fine!" and its many variations when there's a loss of social cachet to being not fine. And in one's own estimation as well as that of others.
What is uplifting about knowing, scientifically, that one is insignificant, pointless and mediocre? Nothing-I know. All you can do is distract yourself from the idea with activity. Shut off from it. But it is a fact under atheistic materialist philosophy. That's repression. Bad news.