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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
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Wed 21 Nov, 2007 12:09 pm
I'm being told that last night's South Park here showed two of the lads crash into the world's biggest "beaver dam" at high speed in an out of control speedboat.

That's pretty witty.
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Nov, 2007 12:14 pm
dys wrote-

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spendi wrote:
consequences
interesting word to come from you spendi; very linear.


If you read the thread dys you will find that I have been focussed on social consequence since I began.

The rest on here run away from the idea and bury their heads in some bag they have chosen.
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spendius
 
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Sun 25 Nov, 2007 10:36 am
"Unless our civilisation is redeemed spiritually, it cannot endure materially."

Woodrow Wilson.
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blatham
 
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Sun 25 Nov, 2007 11:08 am
dyslexia wrote:
spendi wrote:
consequences
interesting word to come from you spendi; very linear.


I like that, dys.
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spendius
 
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Sun 25 Nov, 2007 11:38 am
Will you kindly enAble me 2 Know why Bernie?

As I pointed out I've been using that word since I came on this thread and nobody else dare go near it.

Woodrow Wilson is on about consequences.

Why is it an interesting word coming from me? What is there to like about a statement of that nature. It is meaningless after all.
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blatham
 
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Sun 25 Nov, 2007 11:14 pm
spendi

"Linear" you ain't. Consequently, "consequently" is a slightly tricky word in your vocabulary.
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Chumly
 
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Sun 25 Nov, 2007 11:40 pm
Spendi = scream of unconsciousness.
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spendius
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 06:37 am
Bernie wrote-

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"Linear" you ain't. Consequently, "consequently" is a slightly tricky word in your vocabulary.


Surely that's infantile? I mean to say--what does it mean? It seems like babbling to me and infants babble so it is linear to think it's infantile.

Isn't monogamy, and all the personal relations which stem from it, a consequence of the rejection of Darwinian, or evolutionary, sexual selection processes.

Is it or isn't it Bernie?

Why would an intelligent couple continue making babies when they already have produced a sub-standard one or more as Mr and Mrs Darwin did? And knew it and worried about it. A lot. Did he worry about consequences? If ever the expression "a standing prick has no conscience" applied to anybody it applied to Mr Charles Darwin. He's your male chauvinst pig par excellence.

Why would they Bernie? Get linear yourself instead of blurting out that I'm not. By my standards mate you are in and out, up and down, back to front and anywhichway random as your sentiments take you in the subjective warmth of the moment.

Do stud farms operate on arranged marriages or don't they? How often in stud farms are the same two organisms allowed to mate a second time?

Don't stud farms operate upon what they think are evolutionary sexual selection processes?

Do you understand the property implications of monogamy? The consequences so to say. Or of promiscuity.

What is the anti-ID position on promiscuity? Answer that Bernie and try to avoid just saying I'm talking through my arse because to do so only serves to make you look stupid and suggests that you were educated by ladies. And the idea that it would have the slightest effect on me, or anyone with a half decent education, is laughable.

Is artificial birth control, including abortion, a denaturing of women in the service of male gratification? Or not?

Just answer the questions and try to avoid littering the thread with dross. If you continue with the personal insults I might feel free to engage in a few myself.

Chum wrote-

[quote]Spendi = scream of unconsciousness.[/quote]

Chumly = the pitter patter of tiny feet with a runny nose.

See how easy it is.
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blatham
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 07:47 am
spendi wrote
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Isn't monogamy, and all the personal relations which stem from it, a consequence of the rejection of Darwinian, or evolutionary, sexual selection processes.

Is it or isn't it Bernie?


I hope you aren't getting sore. If so, I'd get no pleasure from it in your case though I do with some. You choose to interact with others here in a particular manner and the responses you get are a result of that. You don't do expository, spendi, and I'm sure you know that. You don't like expository. You don't read expository. You almost never quote expository nor link to it. If I or someone else forwards a proposition, you're response might be, "As assertions go, you've got nothing there compared to what Pablo managed with the white spaces in Guernica."

It's what makes you, often, a real pleasure to read. I mean that quite sincerely. You write very well indeed with consistent imaginativeness and humor and to my mind, nobody else here can match what you do. And what you do is more than worthwhile.

But it very often doesn't mesh with the expository analytic nature of much of what goes on in these threads. I'm waltzing, you are doing the rhumba and it ought not to surprise that the result is rarely pretty to watch.
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spendius
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 08:34 am
No answers. Not a surprise.

I don't know about not being "expository". I've just exposed your bankruptcy of ideas goodstyle. And not for the first time. Not by a long shot. And all the other anti-IDers.

And I'm not in the slightest "sore".

I wrote an expository piece yesterday about the relationship between sado-masochism and Christianity but I fear to enter it here as I've noticed you don't react to such things. Also because I rather think it would be a little risque for your sensitivities.

I do nothing else but expository actually. I'm exposing the anti-ID position as vapid, weak, degenerate and soppy.

I write for a fantasised lawyer who I envision defending ID in the Supreme Court and who is taking notes. I don't write to answer any points. They are all daft in any case. I use them to provide new twists and turns. I presume that the SC are a bit above Judge Jones and can withstand hearing evidence which the latter wasn't expositoried to.

As for links-- holy mackeral!! I have provided a whole education with my links to anybody who wants to put a little effort in.

The Gorer/de Sade link is enough to keep anybody busy for a year or two if they just go on e-bay or Abe Books and get a copy for $5 by return of post. I bet you haven't read Hughes's book yet nor seen Masked and Anonymous. Finnegans Wake is a link for a sodding lifetime or ten. As is Spengler. Those are links that are not used up in one swift read.

You are once again using a word, "link" in this case, to mean only what you mean by it. My posts are Link City. Open The Door Homer. What a link that was. I think you must mean easy links. Those of the effortless type. And lacking any literary abilities.

And what evidence have you to undermine my contention that you don't "read" my posts and, by extension, anything else you scan over looking for reassurance that non-ascetics can have anything other than subjective ideas. Adult variations on "can I have a lollipop Mum?

None of my links are soppy. Try one sometimes. They are hand-picked after a long and weary winnowing whatsit. Not just a convenient happening. I linked Sir Henry Rider Haggard KBE only yesterday and dys approved.

Link--Henry Miller. Search. Go.
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blatham
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 08:54 am
OK. With luck, one day you'll allow yourself to take a compliment which is a notch or two below "you are all things to all people".
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spendius
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 09:34 am
Bernie-

I have a little problem, a well known one, with Picasso. I should say first though that I have a picture of him on my walls and a few prints knocking about as well. Also numerous books about him and his stuff.

He rejected the sexually inhibited world and the bourgeois culture in symbiosis with it and, like most of the avant-garde, felt a deep urge to shock it which I suppose a psychiatrist might easily trace back to a cause.

And yet it was the very same bourgeois culture which bought his works and lionised him and on which he was utterly dependent. He socialised with them. Why do you think that was?

His father taught him draughtsmanship. As did his genes. Andy Warhol taught himself. Like Dylan did. Andy's Mum gave him colouring books because it was the best thing to amuse him when he did a year in bed instead of going to school at six or seven. What a clever lad eh? Went to church every week too. Dylan just liked the sound.

They say that Marilyn's Mum spent the whole pregnancy looking through eye-pieces at the "rushes" in a movie studio and that is what gave her that extraordinary capacity to allow the light to reflect from her being in the best possible way, as Kenny Everett used to say when he recrossed his legs. Looked at closely she's really quite plain. Unlike Barbara Stanwyk. (Stand wick--geddit?) Shaw's Major Barbara might explain the other. She did for Dr Kildare in priest mode at a ripe old age.

If Picasso had a guilt-sink going with the bourgeois is that art or merely clever manipulation. He bet his future on something and then photography came in. He was good though.

And did he consider the consequences of not having a bourgeois with sexual inhibitions. Who would he have shocked? Sartre shocked him. And D.H.Lawrence. Genet tried to shock Sartre but it didn't work. The Marquis shocked them all in advance.

Would there be paint or canvas or fine brushes without the bourgeois? Or stretchers and studios and models. Who wants models when they're shagging on the pool table. Peekaboo one might call it.

But that's a long time ago. We've moved on.
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wandeljw
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 09:54 am
NEW MEXICO UPDATE

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Rio Rancho schools could eliminate intelligent design
(KOB TV News, November 26, 2007)

The Rio Rancho School Board is expected to take up the issue of evolution and intelligent design at a Monday evening meeting.

The board is expected to vote on whether to eliminate a policy that allows alternatives to evolution to be taught in science class.

Currently, the district does allow the teaching of intelligent design, which teaches that the development of life is so complex it required an "intelligent designer" to guide the process.

Opponents of intelligent design say that it is simply repackaged creationism.

Intelligent design has been taught in Rio Rancho schools since 2005, but reportedly three out of the five school board members would like to see that end.
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rosborne979
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 10:19 am
wandeljw wrote:
NEW MEXICO UPDATE

Quote:
Rio Rancho schools could eliminate intelligent design
(KOB TV News, November 26, 2007)

The Rio Rancho School Board is expected to take up the issue of evolution and intelligent design at a Monday evening meeting.

The board is expected to vote on whether to eliminate a policy that allows alternatives to evolution to be taught in science class.

Good for them. It's time they moved into the 21'st century.

I would say the Dover decision is having a slow but progressive effect on school boards.
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spendius
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 10:25 am
I Googled them up wande.

The five members are-

Don Schlicte. District 1
Marty Scharfglass D 2
Margaret Terry D 3.
Divyesh Patel D 4
Lisa Cour D5.

On another page D 4 is Katherine Jackson.

One page gives MP as Vice president and another page it is K J. Lisa is president, Margaret is secretary and maybe Katherine is VEEP.

The info contact is Ema Archibeque-Dreher.

Looking at the map there's a mix of rural and urban.

Their vision is--wait for it-- "student excellence".

"and everybody wants you to be just like them."

Looks a lady thing to me wande so the vote will go with who's still friends with who I should think.
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spendius
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 10:37 am
wande-- how many school boards are there in the US?

It would be useful to see how far ros's "progressive effect" has reached in relation to how far it has to go. And this board hasn't voted yet.

I wonder if ros knows what qualifications are needed to decide scientifically on the education of our future hopes and whether they are the same as the qualifications required to get on a school board.
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wandeljw
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 10:53 am
spendius wrote:
wande-- how many school boards are there in the US?


too many to be "googled up" by anyone
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wandeljw
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 11:03 am
blatham wrote:
OK. With luck, one day you'll allow yourself to take a compliment which is a notch or two below "you are all things to all people".


In March 2005, when both spendi and I were still newbies, I posted my first impression of spendi's commentary:

wandeljw wrote:
spendius: you are one with the universe, all things to all people, you are ageless, timeless, you are in touch with your inner child and in touch with both your feminine and masculine selves.
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rosborne979
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 11:13 am
wandeljw wrote:
blatham wrote:
OK. With luck, one day you'll allow yourself to take a compliment which is a notch or two below "you are all things to all people".


In March 2005, when both spendi and I were still newbies, I posted my first impression of spendi's commentary:

wandeljw wrote:
spendius: you are one with the universe, all things to all people, you are ageless, timeless, you are in touch with your inner child and in touch with both your feminine and masculine selves.

Were you droppin' acid at the time? Wink
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Setanta
 
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Mon 26 Nov, 2007 11:20 am
How many school boards are there in the US ? ! ? ! ?

Tens of thousands, at the least.
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