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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 2 Nov, 2007 09:24 am
BTW Wolf-

Don't you think schools are one big lie?

Mr Blair ran his last election campaign on the slogn "Education. Education. Education." Not only did he not explain what "education" is but within a short time he had changed the slogan to "Education, Education, Life skills."

The ones who have the choice don't send their kids to the schools you have in mind which is reasonable enough evidence that we all would if we were rich enough.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 09:38 am
Funny. Last I checked, Tony Blair was a politician, not a teacher or a headmaster.

Furthermore, I do remember you saying that ID was the last line of defence against the onslaught of amorality against morality. Thing is, how can a campaign of lies (an immoral campaign) be a last bastion for morality?
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spendius
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 09:47 am
I asked you to show me where I have lied. I can't answer for other people. And they are not here to answer for themselves.

If you don't understand my last but one post maybe you should consider not bothering with this thread. We expect a modicum of a grasp at English and reasonable manners as well.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 10:21 am
I apologise, Spendius.

In my posts, I tend to forget that the ID crowd is not homogenous. But I have found that all IDers are either ignorant or liars, or a combination of both. It was, of course, rather presumptuous of me to assume that you weren't ignorant of the lies that is the ID movement.
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spendius
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 11:47 am
I don't know what the "ID movement" is.

From what I have seen of various spokepersons who ride under that banner they are basket cases. They take the towel into the ring.

If you want to teach evolution science get on with it but don't go pussy-footing around with the sanitised stuff. That's telling lies.

Let's see you justify an age of consent at 18 and monogamy with evolution science. That would be most interesting.

And let's see you persuade the population not to bother about origins and destinations and to "know themselves".
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real life
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 03:34 pm
blatham wrote:
real life wrote:
Vengoropatubus wrote:
real life wrote:
blatham wrote:
There is an invisible, undetectable pink dwarf sitting on my shoulder


If undetectable, how did you detect it?

If invisible, how is it pink?


He knows it's there because it's the simplest explanation for the weight he feels on his shoulders.

As far as how it can be pink, that all depends on what it's invisible to. If it does interact with photons on some interval, we might reasonably assume that since sound and music both have something to do with wave phenomena, the musical concept of an octave exists with light too, in that any two frequencies that are related by a factor of two may be interpreted as the same note or color, depending on the context. It's just too bad that human sight only ranges from 380nm to 750nm wavelengths, comprising almost the entirety of an "octave".


If he detects a 'weight' on his shoulder, then his statement that it is 'undetectable' is incorrect.

For him to know it is 'pink' , it would have to reflect visible light. But he said it's 'invisible'.

I only mention this because he appealed to 'intellectual consistency' when he demanded a place in the science curriculum. Cool


As I stated earlier, these truths of Rabbit were revealed to me personally in the deep desert at night and shall soon be transcribed, His Hand guiding my feeble and error-prone mortal appendage so as to deliver His Words.

By the way, real life, I was wondering...how big is your God?


You are asking about physical measurement?

Probably an irrelevant question. Kinda like 'what does sound taste like?'


blatham wrote:
Please also describe how it is you can measure this? Thanks.


I don't think I said I could. Why?
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spendius
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 06:23 pm
See what I mean about "basket cases"!
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farmerman
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 06:27 pm
REAL LIFE SAYS
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Probably an irrelevant question. Kinda like 'what does sound taste like?


Or one of your favs" which is more evolved?"
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Vengoropatubus
 
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Fri 2 Nov, 2007 07:22 pm
I think someone could tell you what sound tasted like if they took the right dose of LSD.
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spendius
 
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Sat 3 Nov, 2007 06:12 pm
That's a good way to end this thread.

It's like shaking the last drops off.
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Vengoropatubus
 
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Sun 4 Nov, 2007 06:25 pm
Well it can't very well end if you don't stop posting in it Razz
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blatham
 
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Sun 4 Nov, 2007 10:25 pm
real life wrote:
blatham wrote:
real life wrote:
Vengoropatubus wrote:
real life wrote:
blatham wrote:
There is an invisible, undetectable pink dwarf sitting on my shoulder


If undetectable, how did you detect it?

If invisible, how is it pink?


He knows it's there because it's the simplest explanation for the weight he feels on his shoulders.

As far as how it can be pink, that all depends on what it's invisible to. If it does interact with photons on some interval, we might reasonably assume that since sound and music both have something to do with wave phenomena, the musical concept of an octave exists with light too, in that any two frequencies that are related by a factor of two may be interpreted as the same note or color, depending on the context. It's just too bad that human sight only ranges from 380nm to 750nm wavelengths, comprising almost the entirety of an "octave".


If he detects a 'weight' on his shoulder, then his statement that it is 'undetectable' is incorrect.

For him to know it is 'pink' , it would have to reflect visible light. But he said it's 'invisible'.

I only mention this because he appealed to 'intellectual consistency' when he demanded a place in the science curriculum. Cool


As I stated earlier, these truths of Rabbit were revealed to me personally in the deep desert at night and shall soon be transcribed, His Hand guiding my feeble and error-prone mortal appendage so as to deliver His Words.

By the way, real life, I was wondering...how big is your God?


You are asking about physical measurement?

Probably an irrelevant question. Kinda like 'what does sound taste like?'


blatham wrote:
Please also describe how it is you can measure this? Thanks.


I don't think I said I could. Why?


I suppose you didn't say you could measure God.

So, let me ask a different question as we continue on in this dialogue about Pink Rabbits and Gods (color unknown).

Would God, as you conceive of Him, have physical dimension or mass or wavelength or would He 'stand outside' the physical universe, not part of it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 4 Nov, 2007 11:16 pm
By all the description of god, he has billions of eyes, ears. and brains. He listens to all the prayers, sees all, and registers everything simultaneously.
He knows what will happen before they happen, and that includes answers to prayers that he allows - although they happen accidentally; it's what we humans call accidental coincidence.

The funny part of prayers is that it's all about asking for favors from god, although prayers are said before meals to thank god for their abundance; never mind that millions are starving all over this planet.

Isn't religion wunnerful?
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spendius
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 05:44 am
Allowing the sort of stuff which these last few posts are derived from anywhere near the educational process is the very last thing we need.

A pious fraud is far better than an impious one.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 04:29 pm
Supposing we were "intelligently designed" by a being that also tells us to go forth and multiply, and also condemns any sexual activity other than that for reproductions... Why are humans one of the very, very , very few mammals that experience menopause? It seems contradictory that if the entire purpose of our reproductive organs is to produce offspring, that they should be programmed to fail beyond a certain age.
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spendius
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 06:25 pm
Over to you boys.

I am quite interested in how you would weasel out of that.
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Vengoropatubus
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 06:45 pm
I'm pretty sure his question was for you spendi.
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spendius
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 06:53 pm
Oh no. Not me.

The anti-IDers can have the floor to themselves on that one.

I might offer a comment if they make any obvious mistakes should subjectivism rear its ugly head.
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Vengoropatubus
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 07:00 pm
But the question is based on what seems to be a contradiction between ID and Christianity. Any answer from someone who is not both a christian and a fundamentalist would be a strawman.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Mon 5 Nov, 2007 11:04 pm
blatham wrote:
real life wrote:
blatham wrote:
real life wrote:
Vengoropatubus wrote:
real life wrote:
blatham wrote:
There is an invisible, undetectable pink dwarf sitting on my shoulder


If undetectable, how did you detect it?

If invisible, how is it pink?


He knows it's there because it's the simplest explanation for the weight he feels on his shoulders.

As far as how it can be pink, that all depends on what it's invisible to. If it does interact with photons on some interval, we might reasonably assume that since sound and music both have something to do with wave phenomena, the musical concept of an octave exists with light too, in that any two frequencies that are related by a factor of two may be interpreted as the same note or color, depending on the context. It's just too bad that human sight only ranges from 380nm to 750nm wavelengths, comprising almost the entirety of an "octave".


If he detects a 'weight' on his shoulder, then his statement that it is 'undetectable' is incorrect.

For him to know it is 'pink' , it would have to reflect visible light. But he said it's 'invisible'.

I only mention this because he appealed to 'intellectual consistency' when he demanded a place in the science curriculum. Cool


As I stated earlier, these truths of Rabbit were revealed to me personally in the deep desert at night and shall soon be transcribed, His Hand guiding my feeble and error-prone mortal appendage so as to deliver His Words.

By the way, real life, I was wondering...how big is your God?


You are asking about physical measurement?

Probably an irrelevant question. Kinda like 'what does sound taste like?'


blatham wrote:
Please also describe how it is you can measure this? Thanks.


I don't think I said I could. Why?


I suppose you didn't say you could measure God.

So, let me ask a different question as we continue on in this dialogue about Pink Rabbits and Gods (color unknown).

Would God, as you conceive of Him, have physical dimension or mass or wavelength or would He 'stand outside' the physical universe, not part of it?


It seems to me that if you are to believe the story of genesis, you must accept that god has a physical body. Man, after all, was created in his image. If god has no body then how would we have been created in his image? And I suppose one could say that it's a figurative phrase referring more to our mind and soul. But then, knowing how horrifically evil humans are, that doesn't seem to fit with the all-loving perfect god that many claim to be.
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