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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Mon 9 Jul, 2007 03:48 pm
Add to the list of texts of faith that must surely be taught in Old Dominion, the First scrolls of The Revelations of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as well as, the Book of Mormon.


I wonder from whose Bible shall be selected the class syllibii? I can see the debates in Richmond now..
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spendius
 
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Mon 9 Jul, 2007 05:32 pm
And Destiny rolls on unstoppable, unpredictable and unknown until it belongs to the become when it is dead.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 9 Jul, 2007 06:03 pm
KNOCK KNOCK
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Chumly
 
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Mon 9 Jul, 2007 06:52 pm
Add more tetraethyl lead.
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rosborne979
 
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Mon 9 Jul, 2007 08:54 pm
Esso
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spendius
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 04:10 am
Troll!!
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farmerman
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 05:10 am
sot
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Mathos
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 06:15 am
Now children!!! Shocked
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 07:17 am
rosborne979 wrote:
wandeljw wrote:
VIRGINIA UPDATE

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Bible Battle
(Donna C. Gregory, Richmond Observer, July 9, 2007)

After losing the battle to add Intelligent Design to the science curriculum at county schools, several residents are now asking the Chesterfield School Board to consider allowing students to study the Bible as an elective.


Apparently they've given up on trying to cloak it in Intelligent Design and now they're just going straight at it.


Funny observation, rosborne, and completely true!
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spendius
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 07:36 am
That's because they've been blown up trying to "cloak it in intelligent design".

Now you will have to go after them on another thread. This one is about intelligent design I think.

But if you use your own hermeneutics on the Bible you are using a straw man. You ought to read it first and then some intelligent commentary on it. A general impression, gleaned subjectively, is hardly suitable for a thread such as this. Our viewers expect a little scholarly effort.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 09:31 am
Another Crime Story Involving Evolution Debate:

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Threats by religious group spark probe at CU-Boulder
(By The Denver Post, 07/10/2007)

University of Colorado police are investigating a series of threatening messages and documents e-mailed to and slipped under the door of evolutionary biology labs on the Boulder campus.

The messages included the name of a religious-themed group and addressed the debate between evolution and creationism, CU police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said. Wiesley would not identify the group named because police are still investigating.

"There were no overt threats to anybody specifically by name," Wiesley said. "It basically said anybody who doesn't believe in our religious belief is wrong and should be taken care of."

The first threat was e-mailed to the labs - part of CU's ecology and evolutionary biology department housed in the Ramaley Biology building - on Friday. Wiesley said Monday that morning staff members found envelopes with the threatening documents slipped under the lab doors.
Wiesley said police will have increased patrols in and around CU science buildings.

"What's written on paper is what's written on paper," Wiesley said. "One of the question marks here is who wrote it and who delivered it."
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spendius
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:12 am
He's an astute lawman wande. As good as Eliot Ness I would have said. The one in the TV series I mean.

He's being wasted at CU.

I don't see what it has to do with a philosophical debate about intelligent design though. It's a mere incident. Like when an atom gets highly energised momentarily due to certain collisions. Those are incidents too and one can't describe the properties of the element by taking that one as an example.

Are you not aware of how utterly unscientific it is to offer up descriptions of incidents as having any general meaning. Had the person instigating this activity never been born or have won the lottery this debate will still be raging.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:22 am
spendi, You remind me of a energized atom.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:30 am
wandeljw wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Apparently they've given up on trying to cloak it in Intelligent Design and now they're just going straight at it.

Funny observation, rosborne, and completely true!

Somehow I find it less annoying that they just want it as an elective. At least when they go about it that way it doesn't threaten to undermine the value of science ed (at least not directly. It'll still threaten the overall budget with waste). And it seems much less sneaky.

It'll still fail as an elective though, mainly for the reasons Farmerman implied. No public school is going to be able to provide "bible" classes unless they can also provide Kuran classes, voodoo and astrology. Something tells me that tax payers will get annoyed with paying for hundreds of religious variable electives, while math and science get squeezed into a corner (see above).
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:36 am
wandeljw wrote:
Another Crime Story Involving Evolution Debate:

Quote:
Threats by religious group spark probe at CU-Boulder
(By The Denver Post, 07/10/2007)

"There were no overt threats to anybody specifically by name," Wiesley said. "It basically said anybody who doesn't believe in our religious belief is wrong and should be taken care of."

We should stop thinking of people as "this religion" or "that religion" and start thinking of them as a crackpot or not.

From a public safety and general annoyance perspective, the distinction of whether or not someone is a nutcase or not, seems to supersede the distinction of which religion they are associated with.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:37 am
Their attempts to get in from the side door is still troubling. They need to teach whatever they want about religion and ID in their home and churches. Elective, my foot; we already lack enough funding in our schools to provide the arts.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:43 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
They need to teach whatever they want about religion and ID in their home and churches. Elective, my foot; we already lack enough funding in our schools to provide the arts.

Exactly
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spendius
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 11:25 am
The arts, my dears, are about nothing else but beliefs of one sort or another. Fake art is another matter. That's fashion taste manipulated by a coterie of Tiffany breakfasters.

It is religion that inspires both art and science. Fake science is another matter. That's usually known as technology and is the domain of technicians although they do like to think of themselves as scientists in the same way that Bible-punching ranters like to think of themselves as men of God.

On the evidence of the trends the more funding for education the dumber you are all going to get.

ros wrote-

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We should stop thinking of people as "this religion" or "that religion" and start thinking of them as a crackpot or not.


I read that only a few percent (7-8) of Americans are atheists. That's "crackpot" objectively. And it shows.
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spendius
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 12:47 pm
STOP PRESS.

Complexity further reduced.

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13:38 01 May 2003
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A sub-atomic particle predicted to exist by physicists has been detected for the first time in a particle accelerator in California - but its properties do not fit with theory.

The particle, called Ds (2317), was discovered in the debris of collisions between other sub-atomic particles. But it has baffled and intrigued the 500 physicists working on the project.

They think the particle belongs to a family of eight particles known as the charm-strange mesons. Four of them have been found so far, all precisely fulfilling the theorists' predictions. But the mass of the newly found Ds particle is significantly smaller than expected, casting doubt on current theories of the nature of matter.

The discrepancy means physicists are confronted with a particle they predicted but cannot explain, says the University of Pisa's Marcello Giorgi, leader of the international BaBar project that made the discovery. "This has never happened before," he says. "It is very, very exciting".

Charm and strange
The predictions for the particle's mass were based on the theory of quark interactions. Quarks are the subatomic particles which make up, for example, protons and neutrons. These nuclear particles each contain three quarks, but mesons contain only two.

Charm and strange are two different types of quark, and it is combinations of these and their antimatter counterparts that make up the charm-strange mesons. They are held together by special force-carrying particles called gluons.

Modelling the strength of the force allows the mass of the quark conglomerates to be predicted. If the particle found is indeed the Ds - a charm quark paired with an anti-strange quark - it should have a mass of about 2500 mega electron-volts. But the particle they have found is 10 per cent lighter. Until now, says Giorgi "the theory has predicted everything very precisely, but this time it is way out".

The result was described to an audience of physicists at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Centre in California this week. If it is accepted, the discovery will mean revising the current understanding of quarks. But it has been positively received by other researchers.

Four-quark state
Roy Briere, an experimental particle physicist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, told New Scientist: "It certainly looks real - the result is surprising, but they've done all the right things with their data."

Briere is collaborating in an experiment called CLEO, which also collects information on charm quarks. "My experiment is in principle in a position to confirm this - there are several groups in the world that could, and we are all working on it" he says.

While a failure of theory is the most likely explanation for the Ds particle's low mass, it is possible that the particle is in fact a combination of four quarks. But four-quark states have never been detected and the experimental evidence suggesting they might exist is far from convincing.

Giorgi will be leading further experiments over the next few weeks to probe the new Ds particle by studying its decay products. He will also look for other particles that clash with the existing theory.

Theorists are already pondering what revisions may be required to accommodate the light Ds particle, says Briere: "I've already heard hall-way talk of papers". He is looking forward to heated debate at the next big particle physics conference, which starts on 19 May in New York.


Not far to go by the look of it if they don't disappear up their own fundamentals first.

I would bet good money that the majority of the 500 physicists were brought up as good Christian lads.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2007 12:59 pm
spendius wrote:
STOP PRESS.

Complexity further reduced.

Quote:
New sub-atomic particle confounds theory
13:38 01 May 2003
NewScientist.com news service
Jenny Hogan


(Emphasis added by me.)

You want us to "stop press" for a news item that is more than 4 years old???
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