or multinational tossing off.
Joe(which loses something in translation)Nation
At least Spendi engaged in the debate. Everybody else seemed focused on attempting to denounce, demean, embarrass, or dismiss Spendi. Too often debate on A2K dissolves into one sided ad hominem rather than any attempt at articulating a point of view.
Wandel valiantly keeps posting article after article that are all one sided in showing the problems with those who want ID taught in Science Class. And while this certainly is useful to support the point of view he has adopted, it constitutes more of indoctrination than rebuttal to any alternate point of view re the validity of ID.
Those who prefer indoctrination to serious discussion or debate seem to like the way the thread is going and I guess they get off using Spendi for their punching bag since he is a gentle and amicable soul who doesn't seem to mind.
Maybe sometime we can actually debate the two sides not as whether ID is or is not science, but whether there is any room for valid consideration of both points of view and/or a basis for accepting science as part of (an invention of) ID which is the position of most intelligent ID-ers.
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--Foxfyre
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
People like fox fails to see "indoctrinated" in their own stance on most subjects.
cicerone imposter wrote:People like fox fails to see "indoctrinated" in their own stance on most subjects.
Repeat: Too often debate on A2K dissolves into one sided ad hominem rather than any attempt at articulating a point of view.
Your post was an excellent example to illustrate the point I was making.
Thank you. I'm glad you admit it CI, and it is refreshing to see that even you can come around to being reasonable once in awhile.
My daddy could beat up spendi's daddy with one hand nailed behind his back.
Foxy wrote-
Quote:At least Spendi engaged in the debate. Everybody else seemed focused on attempting to denounce, demean, embarrass, or dismiss Spendi. Too often debate on A2K dissolves into one sided ad hominem rather than any attempt at articulating a point of view.
I welcome that. It gives bystanders an inkling of what anti-ID control would look like if ever it came within reach of power. I think they will reject such an approach out of hand once it is scrutinised as it would be if anti-IDers cane within reach of power.
Bernie- what would your father's hand be nailed to? Anyway-I never heard even a whisper of my father ever fighting anybody. He considered it a sign of insecurity best left to the titches.
c.i.-
You were well outwitted back there.
spendi, Your declaration that I was "outwitted" has zilch value.
I'm aware of that old boy. I only underlined what was obvious in case any anti-IDers hadn't noticed because it is well known that they only notice those things that they think they can use.
Consider why there is a presupposition attached to the word "atheist" but no equivalent word nor equivalent presupposition for one who does not believe in ghosts.
Quote:Bernie- what would your father's hand be nailed to? Anyway-I never heard even a whisper of my father ever fighting anybody. He considered it a sign of insecurity best left to the titches.
He kept circling. We never found out.
Pop was an atichest?
Aghostic.
But there is the famous line which I know Bernie finds very striking just as I do-
"Ghosts of 'lectricity howl in the bones of her face". I read they were a blue colour and could be seen in the pallor of schizophrenics. The suggestion being that schizophrenia is a disease of civilisation. One way it might be possible to avoid it, or reduce it, might to be "hangin' oooooooooooonnn/ To a solid rooooooooook.
Scientific methodology must not be that solid when practitioners can't decide whether it should be muzzled or not. IDers are certain about that. The carpet isn't moving under them on that score.
spendi, But the IDer's carpet continually moves/shifts.
The stain of ID on the carpet of life is not lessened by Lady Macbeth's famed utterance.
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"