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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
Joe Nation
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 04:19 am
or multinational tossing off.

Joe(which loses something in translation)Nation
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Foxfyre
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 09:34 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 09:49 am
People like fox fails to see "indoctrinated" in their own stance on most subjects.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 09:51 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
People like fox fails to see "indoctrinated" in their own stance on most subjects.


Repeat: Too often debate on A2K dissolves into one sided ad hominem rather than any attempt at articulating a point of view.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 09:53 am
Ditto my post.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 09:57 am
Your post was an excellent example to illustrate the point I was making.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 09:59 am
Ditto.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 10:24 am
Thank you. I'm glad you admit it CI, and it is refreshing to see that even you can come around to being reasonable once in awhile.
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blatham
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 10:53 am
My daddy could beat up spendi's daddy with one hand nailed behind his back.
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wandeljw
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 11:06 am
Quote:
Debate shows Darwin split in GOP
Patricia Cohen, The New York Times, may 6, 2007

Evolution has long generated bitter fights, but now, a dispute has cropped up within conservative circles, not over science, but over political ideology: Does Darwinian theory undermine conservative notions of religion and morality or does it actually support conservative philosophy?

On one level, the debate can be seen as a polite discussion of political theory among a small group of intellectuals. But the argument also exposes tension within the Republicans' "big tent," as could be seen Thursday night when the 10 GOP candidates for president were asked during their first debate whether they believed in evolution. Three of them -- Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado -- indicated they did not.

For some conservatives, accepting Darwin undercuts religious faith and produces an amoral, materialistic world view that easily embraces abortion, embryonic stem cell research and other practices they abhor. As an alternative to Darwin, many advocate intelligent design, which holds that life is so intricately organized that only an intelligent power could have created it.

Yet it is that very embrace of intelligent design -- not to mention creationism, which takes a literal view of the Bible's Book of Genesis -- that has led conservative opponents to speak out for fear their ideology will be branded as out-of-touch and anti-science.

Some of these thinkers have gone one step further, arguing that Darwin's scientific theories about the evolution of species can be applied to today's patterns of human behavior. They argue that natural selection can provide support for many conservative ideas like traditional social roles for men and women, free market capitalism and governmental checks and balances.

"I do indeed believe conservatives need Charles Darwin," said Larry Arnhart, a professor of political science at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, who has spearheaded the cause.

The arguments have played out in recent books, magazine articles and blogs, as well as at a conference Thursday at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. There, Arnhart was tag-teamed with John Derbyshire, a contributing editor at National Review, against John G. West and George Gilder, both of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute, which advocates intelligent design.

What both sides do agree on is that conservatives who have shied away from these debates should speak up. Arnhart said that having been so badly burned by social Darwinism, many conservatives today don't want "to get involved in these moral and political debates, and I think that's evasive."

West agrees that "conservatives who are discomfited by the continuing debate over Darwin's theory need to understand that it is not about to go away."
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spendius
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 12:00 pm
Foxy wrote-

Quote:
At least Spendi engaged in the debate. Everybody else seemed focused on attempting to denounce, demean, embarrass, or dismiss Spendi. Too often debate on A2K dissolves into one sided ad hominem rather than any attempt at articulating a point of view.


I welcome that. It gives bystanders an inkling of what anti-ID control would look like if ever it came within reach of power. I think they will reject such an approach out of hand once it is scrutinised as it would be if anti-IDers cane within reach of power.

Bernie- what would your father's hand be nailed to? Anyway-I never heard even a whisper of my father ever fighting anybody. He considered it a sign of insecurity best left to the titches.
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spendius
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 12:04 pm
c.i.-

You were well outwitted back there.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 12:07 pm
spendius wrote:
c.i.-

You were well outwitted back there.


Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 12:21 pm
spendi, Your declaration that I was "outwitted" has zilch value.
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spendius
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 12:55 pm
I'm aware of that old boy. I only underlined what was obvious in case any anti-IDers hadn't noticed because it is well known that they only notice those things that they think they can use.
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Chumly
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 01:44 pm
Consider why there is a presupposition attached to the word "atheist" but no equivalent word nor equivalent presupposition for one who does not believe in ghosts.
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blatham
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 01:59 pm
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Bernie- what would your father's hand be nailed to? Anyway-I never heard even a whisper of my father ever fighting anybody. He considered it a sign of insecurity best left to the titches.


He kept circling. We never found out.

Pop was an atichest?
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spendius
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 02:16 pm
Aghostic.

But there is the famous line which I know Bernie finds very striking just as I do-

"Ghosts of 'lectricity howl in the bones of her face". I read they were a blue colour and could be seen in the pallor of schizophrenics. The suggestion being that schizophrenia is a disease of civilisation. One way it might be possible to avoid it, or reduce it, might to be "hangin' oooooooooooonnn/ To a solid rooooooooook.

Scientific methodology must not be that solid when practitioners can't decide whether it should be muzzled or not. IDers are certain about that. The carpet isn't moving under them on that score.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 02:49 pm
spendi, But the IDer's carpet continually moves/shifts.
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Chumly
 
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Sun 6 May, 2007 03:04 pm
The stain of ID on the carpet of life is not lessened by Lady Macbeth's famed utterance.



"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"
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