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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Wed 21 Feb, 2007 03:18 pm
The Russians can always reclaim Lysenko's neo-Lamarkianism
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spendius
 
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Wed 21 Feb, 2007 06:03 pm
They can suit themselves on that fm.

If they pressed the red button I would imagine the holding catches to be rusted up and the fuel to dissipate itself in the immediate vicinity.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 05:58 am
Boy you can say that again
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spendius
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 07:37 am
I've been reading Invisible Republic (again).

"The old free America".

I wonder if that idea is connected to ID.

We Europeans had to win what freedoms we have in a long and often bitter struggle.

It struck me you Americans, pioneers or exiles, had all the freedom in the world and are losing it in return for materialistic creature comforts. Did any other possibilty exist?

It's only a hypothesis. That ID is the last ditch of "The old free America" and anti-ID is inevitable barring a crack-up because the direction is set.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 07:46 am
boy you can say that again
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spendius
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 08:30 am
Okay.

I've been reading Invisible Republic (again).

"The old free America".

I wonder if that idea is connected to ID.

We Europeans had to win what freedoms we have in a long and often bitter struggle.

It struck me you Americans, pioneers or exiles, had all the freedom in the world and are losing it in return for materialistic creature comforts. Did any other possibilty exist?

It's only a hypothesis. That ID is the last ditch of "The old free America" and anti-ID is inevitable barring a crack-up because the direction is set.

Will that do?
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 10:02 am
BOOK REVIEW

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Fundamentally Mistaken
(James Robert Brown, American Scientist Magazine, March-April 2007)

Those of us who live outside the United States can only gawk in amazement: How is it possible that almost half the adult population there rejects evolution and believes in the account of creation found in the book of Genesis? How is it possible that one U.S. president (Ronald Reagan) could say that evolution is "only a theory" and another (George W. Bush) that schools should "teach the controversy"? There is no end of speculation about how this bizarre situation came about?-theories range from the country's Puritan origins to an inherent anti-intellectualism?-but I find none of it convincing.

In Why Darwin Matters: The Case Against Intelligent Design, Michael Shermer lists several possible reasons why Americans reject evolution, including the antiscience attitude that is widespread in the United States and the fear that accepting evolution will subvert religion and lead to moral nihilism. Are these plausible explanations?

I'm skeptical that Americans really are scared of science. Often what is called an "antiscience" stance is really a fear of technology and its effects, from genetically modified foods to global warming. Fears of moral nihilism, however, are quite real. Darwinism, many people believe, will undermine religion, thus undermining morality. The first inference is reasonable, but the second is not. There's no need to worry about the loss of morality. (For a detailed discussion of why that is, talk to your friendly neighborhood philosopher or read the first chapter of Peter Singer's Practical Ethics.)

Although Shermer doesn't offer any more-compelling reasons for his countrymen's attitudes, he does a good job of explaining what evolution is, how natural selection works and how "intelligent design" differs from Darwin's theory. In particular, Shermer deftly counters the examples that intelligent-design advocates such as Michael Behe have put forward as instances of "irreducible complexity." The general claim is that an "intelligent designer," not blind chance, must be responsible for the intricate arrangement of some of the biological structures we see around us. This is where intelligent design stands or falls as biology. Behe's most famous example, the flagellum of a bacterium (the little tail that propels the cell), could not have come about by any Darwinian process, he claims, because every part is needed in its current form; alter any bit and the whole collapses like a house of cards.

There are problems galore with this and other such arguments for the existence of an intelligent designer. First, even if no Darwinian process that can explain the flagellum is known at present, it does not follow that no such process exists. This "god of the gaps" reasoning is a sham. Second, biologists actually do have a Darwinian explanation for the development of the flagellum?-and for other examples once thought to be "irreducibly complex." Third, and this is the most important point (although apparently incomprehensible to intelligent-design proponents), the way something functions now need not be the way it has always functioned. The eye, for example, is sensitive to light; in the past a proto-eye was sensitive to heat. Moreover, features such as the mammalian spine (which serves four-legged creatures well but is a near-disaster for us bipeds) suggest a designer who is none too bright.

After dismissing the best arguments intelligent design has to offer, Shermer describes what he takes to be the movement's "real agenda." The Discovery Institute and its fellow travelers are hoping to bring about a social revolution that makes conservative Christianity the center of American life. The fight over Darwin is just a "wedge," as Phillip Johnson, a law professor and one of the originators of the intelligent-design movement, has called it. "This isn't really, and never has been, a debate about science," he said in 1996. "It's about religion." When scientists and philosophers react with anger, it's because they know what's really going on.

Shermer is quite aware that he's in a battle over culture as well as science, so he often tries to soothe the ruffled feathers of Christians, though not with complete success. After attacking intelligent design as utterly silly, he sympathetically quotes the theologian Paul Tillich: "God does not exist. He is being itself beyond essence and existence. Therefore to argue that God exists is to deny him." This statement strikes me as bordering on nonsense, and it almost inclines me to sympathize with fundamentalists appalled with the blither that often passes for liberal theology.

Shermer is at his worst when he tries to make nice. Hence, Chapter 7, "Why Science Cannot Contradict Religion," is the weakest in the book. Shermer surveys three possible ways of viewing the relation between religion and science?-as a state of war, as two roads to the same end, and as separate realms. He adopts the last. The late Stephen Jay Gould, whom Shermer mentions, articulated such a view in his book Rocks of Ages. The idea is that science deals with the way the world is and religion deals with morality, meaning and purpose. The realms are completely different, so there's no conflict.

This notion sounds good until we give the matter a moment's thought. Religious people, in this view, shouldn't concern themselves with human origins, and scientists (as scientists) shouldn't worry about determining what's right and wrong. Philosophers know this as the fact-value distinction?-and they also know its flaws. Consider this question: Is homosexuality a disease? Of course not, but why? Does the assertion that homosexuality is a disease fail as a factual claim or as a value/religious one? The answer is far from clear. And in trying to decide where the statement falls, are we arguing within the realm of facts or of values? The distinction is highly problematic and won't rescue Shermer's hopes for peaceful coexistence. Within the values realm we are still faced with questions, such as Which values are the right ones? Reason and evidence must play a role here, just as they must in the factual realm. And once we accept that idea, there is no way the precepts of religion are going to escape the impartial glare of reason. Even if science, as Shermer claims, can't contradict religion, reason certainly can.

The next chapter is also implausible. In it, Shermer tries to convince fundamentalists that they should embrace evolution. Why? Because creating humans via evolution is much more impressive than doing it at a stroke. Appealing to some warmed-over sociobiology, Shermer goes on to assure religious conservatives that the evolutionary process will yield sexual monogamy and instill in us the sort of self-interest that Adam Smith commended for a flourishing market economy. The connection, superficial though it is, is that competition and struggle in the biological realm will carry over to the world of commerce. Any religious conservative with half a brain should see through this smoke screen. Those who don't see this silliness for what it is might enthusiastically pursue the matter by reading Richard Dawkins's The Selfish Gene, only to be shocked to learn that (according to Dawkins) male philandering and homosexuality are completely "natural."

No fundamentalist will find Shermer's argument here palatable or be remotely content with a mechanism that replaces God as a source of morality, even when it produces the kind of behavior the conservative wants. And what about those of us?-religious or not?-who are appalled at the unbridled capitalism in the United States that leaves so many of its citizens in poverty? Are we to find Shermer's account a cheery tale? Could he really believe this odious drivel? I suspect not.

Like others before him (notably, Gould in Rocks of Ages and Michael Ruse in Can a Darwinian Be a Christian?), Shermer wants to pacify Christians, especially the fence-sitters, hoping to keep them from falling into the antievolution camp. To that end, he tells tales to make believers think they can swallow the Darwin pill with no side effects. I understand this strategy, but I doubt it will work. Better to be straightforward and to point out that there are serious tensions. Either do that or simply leave the matter undiscussed and let the religious sort things out for themselves. It should be noted that the strategy of soothing ruffled feathers has not worked so far. Perhaps fundamentalists find it rather patronizing?-I wouldn't blame them if they did.

Although Shermer's attempt to placate the irrationally religious is an unwelcome failure, that does not detract from the considerable value of the scientific parts of his book. His explanation of Darwinism and his presentation of the evidence for it are very good, as is his account of what is wrong with intelligent design. Shermer also makes clear why it is important to accept Darwin's theory: "Darwin matters because evolution matters. Evolution matters because science matters. Science matters because it is the preeminent story of our age, an epic saga about who we are, where we came from, and where we are going."
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timberlandko
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 10:37 am
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 11:45 am
James Robert Brown in his review of Shermer's book:
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Like others before him (notably, Gould in Rocks of Ages and Michael Ruse in Can a Darwinian Be a Christian?), Shermer wants to pacify Christians, especially the fence-sitters, hoping to keep them from falling into the antievolution camp. To that end, he tells tales to make believers think they can swallow the Darwin pill with no side effects. I understand this strategy, but I doubt it will work. Better to be straightforward and to point out that there are serious tensions.


I read Stephen Jay Gould's "Rocks of Ages" years ago and always followed Gould's assertion that religion and science are merely separate rather than in conflict. The reviewer of Shermer's book brings up a valid point that this approach is placating rather than honest.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 12:25 pm
Gould always preached that morality grew only from religion as a societal "mikvah" . He was , of course full of it because he was only recalling his boyhood ties to his Grandfather..

I like all of Ruse's writing. Hes a transcendant God person. His writings are full of the conclusions that one draws from evidence and never does he once use the words that hes trying to define within the very definition. Hes quite an outspoken critic of ID and its poor attempts to divorce itself from Creationism, all in order to circumvent the Constitution.
Everyone knows it , even the IDers, but they plod on by creating their bogus science and then they fume at anyone who calls this "inconvenient truth" to their attention.

Just finished reading "monkey girl" the popularly written account of the events that led up to and included the Dover trial. I have a feeling that this could be as entertaining a play as was "Inherit the Wind", except , in this case the behind the scenes skullduggery was what makes the story like some tabloid account of Elvis fathering an alien child
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spendius
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 02:02 pm
A number of baseless assertions there fm. It is a little more advanced though than the innocence of the previous two posts.

It has been said that it is possible to pass from good to evil. That the progress of evolution (red in tooth and claw) must be directed towards degredation unless ambition is eradicated in that portion of mankind which uses pecuniary emulation as a vehicle of self expression.

But it is extemely difficult to pass from evil to good as we ought to know because we are not there yet. The Christian project is just such an attempt and it's failures are not a mark of its character but represent reversions to previous times under pressure of events.

There are bits of evidence though. Obesity in women, for example, conjures up visions of the Venus of Willendorf. Isn't a 50% divorce rate moving back towards promiscuity.

If it is permissible to assert that Mr Gould

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was , of course full of it because he was only recalling his boyhood ties to his Grandfather.


then why not that there might be a recollection of boyhood ties to Mom in the AIDser's position and that Grandfathers might be a better bet, for men at least.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 02:15 pm
Grasshopper, If you read Gould's own words , he will explain to you. Till then, bye bye.
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spendius
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 03:21 pm
fm-

I was only making the point that assertions can't complain of counter-assertions unless they are in a one way street. It's bushwhacking.

I think Mr Gould might have had other reasons than his ties to his Grandfather. So also AIDsers.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 22 Feb, 2007 08:24 pm
Gould was very transparent about his catechism. He wrote an entire book on the subject "I have Landed" Its a tale that one can deduce the origins from which Gould cherry picked his own tales of the origins of moralityt. Of course , many scientists dont even buy many of his hypotheses in his chosen area, let aklone areas with which he had only a tangential association. He often lunched with messrs Ruse and Wilson.
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 03:46 am
Excellent paper (an ACTUAL paper - peer-reviewed, refereed, accepted, and published in a major, respected, influential, legitimate scientific/academic journal) just out -

The Quarterly Review of Biology, March 2007, Vol. 82, No. 1
Copyright 2007 by The University of Chicago. All rights reserved.
0033-5770/2007/8201-0001 $15.00

The Quarterly Review of Biology

WHAT IS WRONG WITH INTELLIGENT DESIGN?

Elliott Sober
Philosophy Department, University of Wisconsin
Madison, Wisconsin 53706 USA
e-mail: [email protected]

Keywords
adaptation, creationism, Pierre Duhem, falsifiability, Ronald Fisher, intelligent design, Karl Popper, testability

Abstract
This article reviews two standard criticisms of creationism/intelligent design (ID): it is unfalsifiable, and it is refuted by the many imperfect adaptations found in nature. Problems with both criticisms are discussed. A conception of testability is described that avoids the defects in Karl Popper's falsifiability criterion. Although ID comes in multiple forms, which call for different criticisms, it emerges that ID fails to constitute a serious alternative to evolutionary theory.

ONE striking difference between the intelligent design (ID) position and earlier forms of creationism is that ID is often formulated as a comparatively modest claim. For example, Young Earth Creationism denied that human beings share common ancestors with other species while affirming that God was the designer of organisms and that life on earth is at most 10,000 years old. ID, at least when stated in a minimalistic form, is officially neutral on these three claims (Behe 1996, 2005). The single thesis of what I will call mini-ID is that the complex adaptations that organisms display (e.g., the vertebrate eye) were crafted by an intelligent designer. Scientists have challenged Young Earth Creationism by pointing to compelling evidence for common ancestry and ancient life forms. These challenges do not touch mini-ID. Does that mean that mini-ID is well supported by evidence?

This question about the evidential status of mini-ID differs from the psychological question of why it was developed. Although the rest of this paper will address the first query, a few comments are in order with respect to the second. ID proponents often make assertions that go beyond mini-ID's single claim. For example, they often affirm that the intelligent designer they have in mind is supernatural ( Johnson 1991; Dembski 2002), and most deny common ancestry (Davis and Kenyon 1993; Dembski 1999). Why, then, do proponents of ID think that mini-ID is so important? After all, it leaves out so much. One reason is that versions of creationism that mention a supernatural being have a Constitutional problem ?- U.S. courts have deemed them religious, and so they are not permitted in public school science curricula. ID proponents hope that mini-ID can avoid this objection. In addition, mini-ID has the advantage of expressing an idea to which all creationists subscribe; it thus presents a united front, allowing the factions to stop squabbling and to face their common enemy.

Although mini-ID is modest in what it asserts, ID proponents have high hopes for what it will achieve. According to the Discovery Institute's "Wedge Strategy" (available at http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html ), which was leaked on the internet in 2001, "[d]esign theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions." The Discovery Institute is the flagship ID think tank, and the "Wedge Strategy" is its political manifesto. So much for questions about religious motivation and political context (Forrest and Gross 2004). What about the evidence?

The "No Designer Worth His Salt" Objection

Many biologists take the fact that adaptations are often imperfect to provide a decisive objection to creationism and to mini-ID. Charles Darwin presents this type of argument (Burkhardt et al. 1993:224). More recently, Stephen Jay Gould(1980) made the objection famous in his discussion of the panda's thumb. The "thumb" is a crude spur of bone that enables pandas to laboriously strip the bamboo they eat. Gould contends that if a truly intelligent designer had built the panda, the panda would possess a far more efficient device for preparing its meals. Biologists have cited other examples, but the conclusion drawn is the same ?- since no designer worth his salt (Raddick 2005) would produce the many imperfect adaptations we observe in nature, creationism is false.

This criticism concedes that creationism is testable. In addition, it assumes that the designer, if he existed, would have wanted pandas to have a more efficient device for stripping bamboo. Creationists have a reply to this criticism. How does Gould (or anyone else) know what God (or some unspecified designer) would have wanted to achieve in building the panda (Nelson 1996; Sober 2005)? This is a good reply by creationists, but it is one that invites an entirely different, but equally serious, criticism of ID.

Popper's Falsifiability Criterion

If imperfect adaptations do not demonstrate that the mini-ID claim is false, perhaps the right criticism is that this statement cannot be tested. But, what does testability mean? Scientists often answer by using Karl Popper's concept of falsifiability (Popper 1959). According to Popper, a hypothesis is falsifiable precisely when it rules out a possible observational outcome. Popper understood "ruling out" in terms of deductive logic; a falsifiable statement is logically inconsistent with at least one observation statement. Popper further suggested that falsifiability provides a demarcation criterion, separating science from nonscience.

Popper's account entails that some versions of creationism are falsifiable, and hence scientific. Consider, for example, the hypothesis that an omnipotent supernatural being wanted everything to be purple, and had this as his top priority. Of course, no creationist has advocated purple-ID. However, it is inconsistent with what we observe, so purple-ID is falsifiable (the fact that it postulates a supernatural being notwithstanding). The same can be said of other, more modest, versions of ID that do not say whether the designer is supernatural. For example, if mini-ID says that an intelligent designer created the vertebrate eye, then it is falsifiable; after all, it entails that vertebrates have eyes. An even more minimalistic formulation of ID is also falsifiable; the statement that organisms were created by an intelligent designer entails that there are organisms, which is something we observe to be true.


Probability Statements Are Not Falsifiable

In addition to entailing that many formulations of ID are falsifiable, Popper's criterion also has the consequence that probability statements are unfalsifiable. Consider the statement that a coin has a 50% probability of landing heads each time it is tossed. This statement is logically consistent with all possible sequences of heads and tails in any finite run of tosses. Popper attempted to solve this problem by expanding the concept of falsification. Rather than saying that H is falsified only when an observation occurs that is logically inconsistent with H, Popper suggested that we regard H as false when an observation occurs that H says is very improbable. But how improbable is improbable enough for us to be warranted in rejecting H? Popper thought that there was no objectively correct answer to this question; the choice of cut-off is a matter of convention (Popper 1959:191).

Popper's idea has much in common with Ronald Fisher's test of significance (Fisher 1959). According to Fisher, if H says that an observation O is very improbable, and O occurs, then a disjunction is true ?- either H is false or something very improbable has occurred. The disjunction does follow, but it does not follow that H is false, nor does it follow that we should reject H. As many statisticians and philosophers of science have recognized (Hacking 1965; Edwards 1972; Royall 1997), perfectly plausible hypotheses often say that the observations have low probability. This is especially common when a probabilistic hypothesis addresses a large body of data. If we make a large number of observations, it may turn out that H confers on each observation a high probability, although H confers on the conjunction of observations a tiny probability. If Fisher's test of significance fails to provide a criterion for when hypotheses should be rejected, it also fails to describe when a hypothesis is falsifiable. Perhaps Popper's f-word should be dropped.

The fact that Popperian falsifiability fails to capture what testability is does not mean that we should abandon the latter concept. Rather, a better theory of testability is needed.

Testing Is Comparative

To develop an account of testability, we must begin by recognizing that testing is typically a comparative enterprise. If ID is to be tested, it must be tested against one or more competing hypotheses. Creationists now single out evolutionary theory as their stalking horse. Before 1859, the competing theory was the vaguer idea of "chance" ?- that a mindless random process is responsible for the complex adaptations we observe. The details of these alternative hypotheses do not matter to the problem at hand, but they contribute an insight into the kinds of observational consequences that a formulation of ID needs to have if it is to be tested against its competitors. For example, if mini-ID says that an intelligent designer made the vertebrate eye, and this claim is to be tested against the claim that chance produced the vertebrate eye, we must discover how these two hypotheses disagree about what we should observe. Since both entail that vertebrates have eyes, the observation that this is true does not help. We need to find other predictions that mini-ID makes.

Duhem's Thesis

An additional point needs to be taken into account. As the philosopher Pierre Duhem (1954) emphasized, physical theories, on their own, do not make testable predictions. One needs to add "auxiliary propositions" to the theories one wishes to test. For example, the laws of optics do not predict when eclipses will occur. However, if propositions about the positions of the earth, moon, and sun are added to these laws, they do make predictions. Duhem's thesis holds for most theories in most sciences, and it has wide applicability when prediction is understood probabilistically, not just deductively.

Duhem's point applies to mini-ID. Taken alone, the statement that an intelligent designer made the vertebrate eye does not have observational consequences beyond the entailment that vertebrates have eyes. However, mini-ID can be supplemented with further assumptions that allow it to have additional observational entailments. For example, suppose we assume that if an intelligent designer made the vertebrate eye, that he would want it to have the set of features F. Mini-ID, when supplemented with this auxiliary assumption, has implications about the detailed features that the eye will have. Just like the laws of optics, mini-ID does not predict much until auxiliary assumptions are added. Does this mean that mini-ID is no worse than the laws of optics?

Auxiliary Propositions Must Be Independently Supported

It is crucial to the scientific enterprise that auxiliary propositions not simply be invented. By inventing assumptions, we can equip a theory with favorable auxiliary propositions that allow it to fit the data. Conversely, a theory also can be equipped with unfavorable auxiliaries that lead it to conflict with the data. An important strategy that scientists use to avoid this nihilistic outcome is to insist that there be independent evidence for the auxiliary propositions that are used. When testing the laws of optics by observing eclipses, we do not arbitrarily invent assumptions about the positions of the earth, moon, and sun. Rather, we use propositions about their positions for which we have independent evidence.

When we test the laws of optics by observing eclipses, the auxiliary propositions we use are "independently justified" in the sense that our reasons for accepting them do not depend on (i) assuming that the theory being tested is true or (ii) using the data on eclipses. The reason to avoid (i) is obvious, since a test of optical theory should not be question-begging. But why avoid (ii)? The reason is that violating this requirement would allow us to show that any theory, no matter how irrelevant it is to the occurrence of eclipses, makes accurate predictions about them. For if O describes an observation about the occurrence of an eclipse, and O is used to justify the auxiliary propositions we use to test theory N, then we can simply construct the auxiliary proposition "not-N or O;" this disjunction must be true if O is, and this auxiliary proposition, when conjoined to N, allows N to entail O.

The important scientific strategy of rendering theories testable by finding independently justified auxiliary propositions does not work for mini-ID. We have no independent evidence concerning which auxiliary propositions about the putative designer's goals and abilities are true (Kitcher 1984). Surprisingly, this is a point that several ID proponents concede. For example, the influential ID textbook, Of Pandas and People: The Central Question of Biological Origins, states that "the message encoded in DNA must have originated from an intelligent cause. What kind of intelligent designer was it? On its own, science cannot answer this question; it must leave it to religion and philosophy" (Davis and Kenyon 1993:7). In the same vein, Philip Johnson (1991) says that the designer's motives are "mysterious" (p 67) and "inscrutable" (p 71).

What ID Proponents Say about Testability

Proponents of ID have had a variety of reactions to the charge that their position is not testable. Sometimes they embrace the criterion of falsifiability and claim that ID fills the bill:

"The concept of intelligent design entails a strong prediction that is readily falsifiable. In particular, the concept of intelligent design predicts
that complex information, such as that encoded in a functioning genome, never arises from purely chemical or physical antecedents.

. . . All that is necessary to falsify the hypothesis of intelligent design is to show confirmed instances of purely physical or chemical antecedents producing such information
" (Hartwig and Meyer 1993:160).

We have already seen why Popper's notion of falsifiability fails to capture what testability is. The point of relevance here is that these ID proponents have misapplied Popper's criterion. ID asserts that somewhere on the causal chains leading up to "complex information" there is an intelligent designer at work. If a newspaper contains complex information, ID proponents are not obliged to say that the press used to print the newspaper is intelligent; presumably, the press is just as mindless as the paper it produces. Rather, their claim is that if you look back further along the causal chain, you'll find an intelligent being. And they are right?-there is a person setting the type.

If scientists observe that "purely physical antecedents" at time t9 give rise to complex information at t10, this does not refute the ID claim any more than a mindless printing press does. ID proponents will simply maintain that an intelligent designer was present at an earlier stage. If scientists press their inquiry into the more remote past and discover that mindless physical conditions at t8 produced the conditions at t9, ID proponents will have the same reply: an intelligent designer was involved at a still earlier time. If scientists somehow manage to push their understanding of the complex information that exists at t10 all the way back to the start of the universe without ever having to invoke an intelligent designer, would that refute the ID position? Undoubtedly, ID proponents will then postulate a supernatural intelligence that exists outside of space and time. Defenders of ID always have a way out. This is not the mark of a falsifiable theory.

In addition, the proponents of ID who make this argument have lost sight of the role of observation in Popper's concept of falsifiability. For a proposition to be falsifiable, it is not enough that it be inconsistent with a possible state of affairs; it must also be inconsistent with a possible observation. Granted, the ID position is inconsistent with the existence of complex information that never had an intelligent designer in its causal history. It is equally true that "all lightning bolts issue from the hand of Zeus" is inconsistent with there existing even one Zeus-less lightning bolt (Pennock 1999). These points fail to address how observations could refute either claim.

Defenders of ID often claim to test their position by another route, by criticizing the theory of evolution. Behe (1996) contends that evolutionary processes cannot produce "irreducibly complex" adaptations; since we observe such traits, evolutionary theory is refuted, leaving ID as the only position standing. Behe (1996) says that a system is irreducibly complex when it is "composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning" (p 39). Before considering whether evolutionary theory really does rule out irreducible complexity, I want to note that this argument does nothing to test ID. For ID to be testable, it must make predictions. The fact that a different theory makes a prediction says nothing about whether ID is testable. Behe has merely changed the subject.

One flaw in Behe's argument is his assumption that evolutionary processes must always involve a lockstep increase in fitness. This ignores the fact that contemporary evolutionary theory describes evolution as a probabilistic process. Drift can lead to evolutionary changes that involve no increase in fitness and even to changes that lead fitness to decline. Evolution does not require that each later stage be fitter than its predecessors. At least since the 1930s, biologists have understood that evolution can cross valleys in a fitness landscape.

The most that can be claimed about irreducibly complex adaptations (though this would have to be scrutinized carefully) is that evolutionary theory says that they have low probability. However, that does not justify rejecting evolutionary theory or accepting ID. As noted earlier, many probabilistic theories have the property of saying that a body of observations has low probability. If we reject theories because they say that observations have low probability, all probabilistic theories will be banished from science once they are repeatedly tested.

There is a second problem with Behe's position on irreducible complexity. The fact that a system can be segmented into n parts in such a way that it counts s irreducibly complex does not guarantee that the evolution of the system involved a stepwise accumulation of parts, moving from 0 to 1 to . . . to n-1 to n parts coming on line. What we call "the parts" may or may not correspond to the historical sequence of accumulating details. Consider the horse and its four legs. A horse with zero, one, or two legs cannot walk or run; suppose the same is true for a horse with three. In contrast, a horse with four legs can walk and run, and it thereby gains a fitness advantage. So far so good?-the tetrapod arrangement satisfies the definition of irreducible complexity. The mistake comes from thinking that horses (or their ancestors) had to evolve their tetrapod morphology one leg at a time. In fact, the development of legs is not controlled by four sets of genes, one for each leg; rather, there is a single set that controls the development of appendages. A division of a system into parts that entails that the system is irreducibly complex may or may not correspond to the historical sequence of trait configurations through which the lineage passed. This point is obvious with respect to the horse's four legs, but needs to be borne in mind when other less familiar organic features are considered.

Conclusion

It is one thing for a version of ID to have observational consequences, something else for it to have observational consequences that differ from those of a theory with which it competes. The mini-ID claim that an intelligent designer made the vertebrate eye entails that vertebrates have eyes, but that does not permit it to be tested against alternative explanations of why vertebrates have eyes. When scientific theories compete with each other, the usual pattern is that independently attested auxiliary propositions allow the theories to make predictions that disagree with each other. No such auxiliary propositions allow mini-ID to do this.

It is easy enough to construct a version of ID that accommodates a set of observations already known, but it also is easy to construct a version of ID that conflicts with what we have already observed. Neither undertaking results in substantive science, nor is there any point in constructing a version of ID that is so minimalistic that it fails to say much of anything about what we observe. In all its forms, ID fails to constitute a serious alternative to evolutionary theory.

Acknowledgments

My thanks to Richard Amasino, Alan Attie, Jeremy Butterfield, Michael Cox, Mehmet Elgin, Malcolm Forster, Daniel Hausman, Bret Larget, Gregory Mougin, Ronald Numbers, Robert Pennock, David SWilson, and the referees of this journal for useful suggestions.

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Boy, that's gonna raise a welt.
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wandeljw
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 06:54 am
Eliot Sober is great! I have read other essays by him. I believe philosophy of science is his specialty. Have you ever gone to one of his lectures up there in Wisconsin, timber?
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spendius
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 07:28 am
timber quoted-

Quote:
Biologists have cited other examples, but the conclusion drawn is the same ?- since no designer worth his salt (Raddick 2005) would produce the many imperfect adaptations we observe in nature, creationism is false.


That looks anthropomorphic to me. And the conclusion does not follow unless it derives from the writer's idea of "imperfect".

What is an "imperfect adaptation" unless it is judged on human standards.

Isn't everything imperfect? Why pick out a panda's thumb? Does a panda even have a thumb?

These are a bunch of people talking their salaries up. A work avoidance scheme.

Quote:
This question about the evidential status of mini-ID differs from the psychological question of why it was developed.


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Although the rest of this paper will address the first query, a few comments are in order with respect to the second.


Which then don't appear. What follows is not psychology. It is simple stuff indeed.

Let's look at the psychology then.

Would the AIDsers on here be AIDsers had they been born and raised somewhere else such as in a Sarawak head-hunting tribe or a Hitler stud farm?

Freud said that the psychology is set in childhood. Why wasn't Billy Graham an AIDser. What type of punishment/ reward conditions create AIDsers within an established religious tradition? Is it non-acceptance? One can understand how a religious mindset is created within an established religious tradition.

There's a boat-rocking attitude in the former which is absent from the latter. Is it attention seeking?

Recall, if you can, my piece on my mate's communist sparkpoint.

Why read the rest of timber's quote. It is self evident drivel.
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parados
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 07:53 am
Quote:
Why read the rest of timber's quote. It is self evident drivel.


ah yes, drivel that manages to dispute every point you have ever tried to make past, present and future.

When you can't support ID simply change the subject by attacking the scientists. Oh wait. Timber's piece points that out as being a false argument. Hmm..

Don't read the drivel..
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spendius
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 08:16 am
I'm not attacking scientists. They are great. Wonderful achievements.

There was no science in timber's quote. It was psuedo-science.

What is an "imperfect adaptation"? Eyes are not perfect. I could think of a number of improvements to eyes. Is our vulnerability to radiations above the natural level an imperfect adaptation. Why can't we digest cellulose?

Answer that parados. You haven't said anything. Just trotted out some easy assertions.

What is an "imperfect adaptation"?
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spendius
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 08:53 am
Greil Marcus quotes Marx in his ace book Invisible Republic-

Quote:
Men can see nothing around them that is not their own image. Everything speaks to them of themselves.


He is driving west out of Norton, in Wise County, "the farthest reach of Virginia before it meets eastern Kentucky, about seventy-five miles south of Frank Hutchinson's territory, as far from Thomas Jefferson's Virginia as the other side of the world."

There, he says,"you could look a lifetime and not see your reflection."

An urban psychology which only sees reflections of itself is bound to try to raise itself up as the supreme being and dethrone God. A rural psychology would not do. There is no complexity at all in Manhattan. It is merely complicated. Irreducible complexity is the everyday experience of the countryman.

As I said long ago- this is an urban/rural argument. Buying into urban psychology brings a lot more with it than simply dethroning God. A full-baked AIDser would welcome all of it.

"Inside the museums, Infinity goes up on trial,
Voices echo this is what salvation must be like after a while."

Visions of Johanna. Bob Dylan.

Also in that masterpiece-
"Ghosts of 'lectricity howl in the bones of her face."
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