timber wrote-
Quote:Bullshit -it IS all about "the kids", and their kids, and their kids, and so on - it precisely is about the utmost of social consequences; the preservation of and benefit to society through the advancement of civilization.
At last. Something that makes some sense although the assertion implied that a society will be preserved and benefitted and advance its civilisation by a thouroughgoing Marxist/Darwinist scientific secularist education of the youth cannot be taken as read.
All we can do in the social field is examine the trends under increasing use of that position and extrapolate them to the possible effects of its total use in the villages, towns and cities of the land.
As the influence of religion has declined, particularly in urban areas, there have been some notable trends apparent. One only need go into a library and compare newspapers of 100 years ago to those of today to see that. And secularisation is nowhere near half completed.
At no point in this thread have I opposed an increasing secularisation. All I have done is suggest that a religious input might be temporarily necessary as an inhibiting factor to getting to the limits of secularisation too quickly. If I have I must have been befuddled at the time.
Once I suggest that I have to suggest that some religious education might be similarly necessary otherwise the inhibiting factor is redundant, and I use that word exactly. In reserve at the very least even in a totally secularised society. Which is why Stalin only closed the churches when he had the power to demolish them and remove all traces of their existence from the records. I am duty bound, following such a suggestion, to lend support to those who will maintain this inhibiting factor despite the fact that I am, personally, a flat-out scientific secular materialist of the very worst sort. A blowtorch type.
Now there's a good joke fm if you think ros's was about the credit card.
And it's been obvious from my first post onwards which was my member profile and unrevised. A microbe, at what ever stage of its evolution, is a flat-out secular materialist and its science is perfectly adapted to its niche.
I am also a defender of local democracy because The State, urban of necessity, is not to be relied upon or trusted operating unhindered by the slightest spark of decency as Henry Miller once said. And materialism doesn't teach decency because it can't. It can only have rules to regulated behaviour enforced ultimately by force. Thus anti-IDers must, yes must, favour an ever increasing number of rules and paying people to organise and enforce them and the bureaucracies involved, following Weber's thought, have a natural inevitable need to expand until they eat up all the substance themselves which they can never do because revolution would prevent them.
Revolutionary fervour is that feeling you get when some pedantic, bloody minded petty bureaucrat has just f****d you over on some technical point like half an inch of tyre over the no parking line. ( $200) or any one of an exploding set of rules you care to think about.
Well- maggot that I am- I hate rules. The military saw to that. And I hate revolutions because they rock the niche into which I'm snuggled.
We might discuss trends, and their asymptote with the limit of jungle tactics, of sexual relations at a later date before which it might be best to consider less important matters in the hope that those will suffice and we needn't pursue the other although the direction of it is perfectly clear.
The explosion of rules being a good place to start and the use of it, from an efficiency point of view, as a replacement for a conscience however weak.
We could move on to "free trade" after that which is self-evidently in direct contravention of Darwin's (Maggot's) theoretical position as are, of course rules of any sort. A national wild-west in its early days before Pat Garret turned traitor for pieces of silver is a reasonable guide.
So I agree timber. It is only method. And the glass case contains 300 million persons of a repute to be asserted by themselves.
The books of the rules can be measured with a ruler on the shelves.
