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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 10:31 am
spendi
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My little essay on the pink skirt was but an introduction to a chain of thought which I plan to elaborate upon fairly soon and which has direct relevance to the topic here in relation to the social consequences of an increasingly secular society. I wrote it fast while it was fresh in my mind and my next serious essay will be partly concerned with distortions of memory between the observation and the description of it and partly about the medium through which the information is necessarily warped to a greater or lesser extent.


TRanslation:-"Very soon I plan to say something of value, and iI assure you it shall be on the topic without me setting out triplex "New Age" hooks to see if anyone bites".
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patiodog
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 10:50 am
Wait for it...




Wait for it...
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spendius
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 10:51 am
I don't know about that.

It has the official stamp of approval of a high class English education on it though.

Are there any other sources worthy of consideration?

Assuming I can get it right of course. I am struggling with the order of the paragraphs. One can't be doing 1000 word essays on here.

It is what they call in cricket an "effort ball". It takes a lady in a split pink skirt to get me up for one of those these days. It might be easier had she not looked like a horse and had a voice like a howler monkey.
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timberlandko
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 12:10 pm
Glad to learn you can hear The Bard of Hibbing's show, spendi - I like the way he strings together the themes he plays with, and he tosses in some very good commentary from time to time. Good to see he's found honest wotk at last :wink:
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farmerman
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 12:11 pm
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Assuming I can get it right of course. I am struggling with the order of the paragraphs. One can't be doing 1000 word essays on here.

It is what they call in cricket an "effort ball". It takes a lady in a split pink skirt to get me up for one of those these days. It might be easier had she not looked like a horse and had a voice like a howler monkey.
. Theres too much information here that is extraneous. Lets practise a mantra "Precise and concise, Precise and concise"
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patiodog
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 12:17 pm
My liege, and madam -- to expostulate what majesty should be, what duty is, why day is day, night night, and time is time were nothing but to waste night, day, and time. Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief.

Has anybody got a standard screwdriver on them? Or a greyhound -- a greyhound should work just fine.












Waiting, though it runs against my nature.
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timberlandko
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 12:23 pm
Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 12:46 pm
Here dog, make your own. Do I look like a bartender?
I never knew you could crystallize tequilagreyhound recipe
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patiodog
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 12:49 pm
If I want to see images like that, I'll pop something stronger than alcohol. (I thought I had a lot of time on my hands.)
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Pauligirl
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 07:48 pm
More matter, with less art.
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patiodog
 
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Mon 23 Oct, 2006 08:12 pm
Madam, I swear I use no art at all.

Nope, not a jot.

None.







'Tis pity she's a whore.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 08:43 am
CANADA UPDATE

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Evangelical schools ordered to teach Darwin
(David Rogers, National Post, October 24, 2006)

OTTAWA - The Quebec Ministry of Education has told unlicensed Christian evangelical schools that they must teach Darwin's theory of evolution and sex education or close their doors after a school board in the Outaouais region complained the provincial curriculum was not being followed.

"Quebec children are legally required to follow the provincial curriculum ... but these evangelical schools teach their own courses on creationism and sexuality that don't follow the Quebec curriculum," said Pierre Daoust, director-general of the Commission Scolaire au Coeur-des-Vallees in Thurso, Que.

Mr. Daoust's complaint sparked the province-wide investigation.

Quebec law requires school boards to assure the Ministry of Education that every child between the ages six of and 16, with the exception of home-schooled children, receives an adequate education, he said.

But the 20 elementary and high school students who attend a school operated by Eglise Evangelique near Saint-Andre-Avellin, Que., are being educated according to a Bible-based curriculum and their high school diplomas will not be recognized anywhere in Canada, he said.

Supporters of Eglise Evangelique, part of the l'Association des eglises evangeliques du Quebec, counter that the school teaches a "world view" that is essential for their students.

"We offer a curriculum based on a Christian world view rather than humanistic world view," said Alan Buchanan, chairman of a committee that reorganized the school's administration this past summer, as well as a former Quebec public school teacher.

Mr. Buchanan said Eglise Evangelique teaches evolution as well as intelligent design.

"We want the children to understand what they're going to meet in the outside world, and also what's wrong with the theory," he said. "We also teach that a better theory -- that God created the universe and so on."
While the school doesn't teach sex education, it does teach biology, he said.

"You have the Christian world view that says sex should only be in the marriage and a public school system that teaches kids about sexuality," Mr. Buchanan said. "We believe students should be taught abstinence."

He said the school met provincial guidelines during two reviews conducted in the 1990s, although they were asked to add a Canadian history course.

Ministry spokeswoman Marie-France Boulay said yesterday the province will negotiate for several weeks with an unspecified number of evangelical schools to determine whether they can meet provincial standards that include the teaching of Darwin's theory of evolution.

Ms. Boulay said two or three unlicensed evangelical schools in the Outaouais are affected.

In addition to the 20 students at Eglise Evangelique, another 40 students attend an unlicensed evangelical school in Gatineau, Que., which falls under the jurisdiction of the Commission Scolaire des Draveurs. There is a third in Hull, Que., Mr. Daoust said. The other school boards haven't complained.

The Quebec government knows of about 30 unlicensed religious schools in the province, including Hasidic schools and several evangelical Christian schools in Montreal, said Dermod Travis, who served on Quebec's Comite sur la langue d'enseignement, a tribunal that hears special cases from the province's educational system.

Other religious denominations may operate faith-based schools as well, but no one really knows where they are.

The Quebec government has known about unaccredited religion-based schools for years, but has tolerated them for fear of offending the denominations sponsoring them.

Members of the Pentecostal Eglise Nouvelle Alliance in Gatineau, which operates a school for about 40 students, refused to discuss the Ministry of Education investigation because their minister, Charles Boucher, is out of Canada until Nov. 1.

Ontario schools are not required to teach either evolution or sex education, said Elaine Hopkins, executive director of the 900-member Ontario Federation of Independent Schools, which has 120,000 children attending schools with a few as 10 students and as many as 1,000.

Many parents send their children to independent schools because they object to the teaching of certain subjects in the public schools, she said. "These are issues that should be decided by the parents, not the province."

At the elementary level in Ontario, there are no curriculum requirements for independent schools at all, although Ms. Hopkins points out that the industry is market-driven.

"It's called direct accountability to the parents," she said. "If you're not going to teach reading, writing and arithmetic, the parents aren't going to pay for it."

At the high school level in Ontario, independent schools are inspected by Ministry of Education officials to ensure that they meet curriculum and hours-of-instruction guidelines for credits to be accepted by the ministry.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 12:21 pm
Them Quebeckers ya gotta watch. Theyll go to war over a bridge toll. This may be a might too far for them.
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stuh505
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 12:31 pm
Eh, what's the point? It's beyond the mental capacity of an evangelic christian to comprehend evolution, so why bother forcing them to try and teach it? They sure as heck won't be convincing anyone, but they might provide the false impression to students that they have understood and refuted the evidence for evolution. Better to let the subject be ignored entirely so that at least there's no debating over the fact that they don't understand evolution, so they don't go around thinking they know what they're talking about. If their parents committed them to such a narrow minded education in the first place there is little hope for those insignificant 20 fanatics.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 02:04 pm
stuh505 wrote:
Better to let the subject be ignored entirely so that at least there's no debating over the fact that they don't understand evolution, so they don't go around thinking they know what they're talking about.


I don't agree with ignoring the problem. That's what scientists have been doing for years now, and it has resulted in encrouchment by the evangelicals into every nook and cranny they can find to spread their anti-science view of things.

Bad things happen, when good people stand by and do nothing.

The accomplishments and methods of science need to be defended, not just accepted as impossible to deny.
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spendius
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:20 pm
Which "evangelicals" are anti-science?

And what are "bad" things?

And who are "good" people?

I think we need to know the answers to these questions, which are of critical importance, in order to be able to understand the last post.

My idea of a bad person is someone who so abuses the very language he speaks as to render it incoherent unless, of course, the communication is only addressed to that group of people who know what those words mean in the mind of the writer or speaker of them.

Such abuse, if copied by others, eventually leads to a complete breakdown in communication and is as unscientific as unscientific can get.

It is the duty of those people who think the ability to communicate with each other is of the utmost importance to try to prevent the encroachment
of what I see as a diabolical process.

Our language is sacred. Big time.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:57 pm
spendius wrote:
Which "evangelicals" are anti-science?

And what are "bad" things?

And who are "good" people?

I think we need to know the answers to these questions, which are of critical importance, in order to be able to understand the last post.


Is anyone else having trouble understanding that last post?
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farmerman
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 04:58 pm
Hey , dont go by my feelings . Ive always thought that spendi dwelt in the realm of gloze. Communication has never been his aim. He recites and we are expected to stand back in awe at his philosophical insights and neural sociology..then we are supposed to allow him to hijack perfectly adequate threads.

Course its wandel's call, hes been a patient guy.
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stuh505
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 05:05 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
I don't agree with ignoring the problem. That's what scientists have been doing for years now, and it has resulted in encrouchment by the evangelicals into every nook and cranny they can find to spread their anti-science view of things.

Bad things happen, when good people stand by and do nothing.

The accomplishments and methods of science need to be defended, not just accepted as impossible to deny.


I didn't say to ignore the problem. I don't think the problem should be ignored.

I'm saying that you cannot ask evangelicals to teach evolution. They don't understand it, they don't believe it. It would be like asking scientists to teach intelligent design! The issue is that, really, it is the concept of an evangelical school that needs to be abolished.

At least, that is the only way to solve the problem with respect to these people. But evangelicals are a small percentage of the population so it would suffice to try to make a difference in public schools and ignore the evangelicals altogether because they are already crazy.
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spendius
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 05:34 pm
That's as maybe but it is a scientific fact that a new church of Scientology was opened yesterday in London with large crowds and some fanfare on TV, hoping, the voice-over said, for a glimpse of Tom Cruise and that dancer who is running to fat and also that the only church I have seen built recently (£800 million I was told by the office manager) is a Latter Day Saints job which can be seen from miles away.

fm- what difficulties did you see in my previous post? As you are supposed to be involved in "education" I would have thought you could have understood it quite easily. It was couched in extremely simple terms.

Your infantile asserions don't kid me mate. They are meaningless. Would you really like everyone to follow you down the route to meaninglessness?

When meaninglessness hijacks the threads we are really in the ****.
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