spendius wrote:There's really no meeting point here. You seem to be talking about yourself.
And your assumptions are based on your viewpoints, as well. You assume that an atheistic, de-Christianised society will be without conscience. Where is the proof? Buddhists are atheistic and not Christian, yet they are not nihilistic and neither do they see evolution as an excuse to commit eugenics.
Quote:I follow the logic, as best I can, of a de-Christianised, atheistic materialism laid onto capitalism which I presume is what you favour.
First you state there's too much Christianity in me, now you state I favour no Christianity? Have you started drinking again, Spendi? If you think I favoured a de-Christianised society, do you really think I would have so much Christianity in me? If you do, I suggest you need your head checked.
Quote:I find that incoherent I'm afraid. It would take 10,000 words to try to deal with it. So I'll just make notes.
Both "doping" and "cheating" are rule bound concepts.
Is make-up cheating?
You're comparing make-up to taking testosterone or steroids?
Quote:Winning at sport self evidently increases mating opportunities.
Doping only damages the body in the long run by which time plenty of mating can take place.
I can't for the life of me see how an evolutionist could have the slightest objection to doping except in regard to themselves.
You can cheat in evolution if you are human.
Because it wasn't the genes that made you faster, it was the drugs. If that person couldn't have won if they didn't take the drugs, then clearly they are genetically inferior to the person that won through natural ability alone.
Besides, you fail to comprehend that in our society, as long as you know how to not break the laws and know how to earn money, you are fit for survival. Heck, scratch that. Thanks to welfare and the NHS nearly everyone is fit for survival.
It is the environment that determines what is the fittest, not the individual, and we have sculpted our environment to redefine what it means to be fit. You name one person you know that isn't fit to survive. Chances are they are fit to survive because they're still alive now.
Quote:You are very unlikely to be in the medals if you don't do doping.
Everybody knows that. Are you defining doping as being caught doping.
If they all stopped doping the present world records would stand for centuries.
Rubbish. You briefly mention in the next sentence about training. Training will get you medals without the need for doping.
Quote:Is training cheating? You never see animals training.
So? You never see animals building aeroplanes, automobiles or trains either.
Besides, how can training be cheating? It's all natural ability, unlike doping.
Quote:Wolf wrote:What makes you think the Christian position will be annihilated by Evolution?
By the exclusive teaching of evolution not by evolution itself.
In other words, in an imaginary world, in your head, where the only subject ever taught in schools is evolution. Good luck seeing that world ever appear, Spendi.
Quote:But don't worry wolf- it won't be in your time. You want later generations to have it from the luxury position you don't have to face.
It won't ever freaking happen, Spendius, because the moment people try to get rid of religious education, there'll be a horrendous outcry. And to that I say, good for them.
Besides, so what if Christianity isn't taught in schools anymore?
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/pdf/2005-11.pdf
The above research article I showed you before, which you ignored, shows that religion is not necessary for a healthy, moral society.
Quote:I thought Buddhism involved resignation. A "who cares" attitude. Is that not the case?
No. Buddhism involves doing good deeds to better oneself. That requires caring for people who are poorer than you, giving to the needy etc. etc.
Quote:I'm not sure you are well advised to pursue this discussion. I have the curtains drawn here.
Oh, because I don't agree with you and because I can't see eye to eye, that means I'm not well-advised to pursue this discussion. Jawohl, mein Commandant, Fuhrer Spendius.