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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 09:26 am
You are more accurate about history than I am, Setanta. (It was fun for me to characterize Canada as "primitive".)
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 09:45 am
Also, note that there are complications here which do not appear elsewhere. The Kativik School Board is an agency of the Québec Ministry of Education, Leisure and Sport. However, Nunavik, the portion of northern Québec in which the controversy arises, is only recently a part of Québec. Prior to 1912, it was a part of the Northwest Territory, and was therefore administered by the Federal government and had no provincial government or apparatus. Thereafter, it was administered from Québec in much the same manner as was previously done by the Federal government. The people of Nunavik are Inuit in the same general sense that Mohawk were members of the Iroquois Confederacy, and spoke a Huron-Iroquoian dialect. The Inuit of Nunavik call themselves Nunavimmiut, but the speak an Inuktitute dialect which is comprehensible to other Inuit bands.

It is likely, although i'd have to go dredge up some evidence to support it, that that portion of the Northwest Territories was ceded to la belle province because it was contiguous with her boundaries, and likely contained lucrative mining deposits. Beginning in the late 1960s, First Nations people (as the aboriginal inhabitants are called in Canada) began to agitate for self government. In fact, Québec responded before the Federal government did. The James Bay and Northern Québec Treaty was concluded in 1978, and gave the Nunavimmiut a larte measure of autonomy within the province, while agreeing to timber and mining concessions in return for continued provincial aid in many areas such as social welfare and education. The new province of Nunavut which was formed out of the rest of the Northwest Territory did not come into existence until 1993.

Further complicating the issues is the presence of members of the Cree and Naskapi nations in Nunavik. The Cree are governed by the Cree Regional Authority which straddles northern Ontario and Nunavut, even though they are located on the eastern shore of Hudson s Bay in what is otherwise Québecois territory. The Naskapi are respresented by the Kativik regional authority, but have a right to withdraw, or ignore certain provisions of that authority.

Charest, like any Premier of Québec, wants to maintain good relations with the Kativik regional authority, because he doesn t want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg (once again, timber and mining). So long as he does not alienate other political groups in the province, he can probably go along with any decisions of the Kativik School Board. But even his political situation is ambiguous. He was for many years the leader of the PCs--the Progressive Conservatives, or Tories, at the Federal level, when they languished during the long tenure in office of Jean Chrétien and the Liberals. But he became leader of the Parti libéral du Québec, the Liberal Party of Québec, and thereby was able to win the provincial elections and become Provincial Prime Minister. Québec politics are confusing at the best of times, and this is the sort of thing Charest probably hopes will die of disinterest, because he has enough trouble as it is keeping a grip on provincial politics, let alone dealing with a Federal government of Conservatives who mildly resent him as a turn-coat.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 09:53 am
To put in the short form, politics are pretty straight-forward in the United States in comparison to the mess they have to deal with in Canada.
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wandeljw
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 09:58 am
That's true. It is a lot easier to figure out local politics in the United States.
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 10:58 am
It is to this nation's eternal shame and regret that Mr. Madison's war was not pursued to satisfactory resolution.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 11:02 am
What, you think we shoulda taken over them hosers ? ! ? ! ? The mind boggles . . . talk about buying trouble . . .
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 11:11 am
Laughing
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xingu
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 11:28 am
EEEEEE Gads; can you imagine us and those French Canadians under the same roof.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 11:38 am
Yais, but you like ze poutine, no, English dog ? ! ? ! ?
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 11:57 am
Now, this Canada bashing has just gotta stop! After all, they gave us the McKenzie blanket, snowmobiles, and ... uhhhh ... and ... hmmmmm ...





well, I'm sure there's gotta be some other stuff, too.
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spendius
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 12:03 pm
The Fosbury Flop.
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 12:21 pm
Nope; the originator of the Fosbury Flop, Olympic Track & Field Gold Medalist Dick Fosbury, is a native born-and-bred American (from Oregon, actually - close to Canada, perhaps, but no cigar). The maneuver popularized under his name first was performed by Mr. Fosbury during the middle 1960s in NCAA competition, then made world famous by his exhibition of it as a member of the American teams at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. Fosbury, a civil engineer, today is a resident of Ketchum, Idaho, still several cigars removed from Canada however you make the trip.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 12:26 pm
Don't forget basketball and Winnie the Pooh . . .
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 12:47 pm
OK ... Naismith was born Canadian, granted, but I believe it was during his tenure as Director of Athletics at Springfield Massachusetts' School for Christian Workers that, using a soccer ball and a couple de-bottomed peach baskets, he came up with what now is known as Basketball. Pooh is Canayjun??? Howthuhell do ya get there?
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 12:54 pm
Winnie was a black bear cub, possibly from Ontario:

Winnie the Pooh, History wrote:
During the first World War, troops from Winnipeg (Manitoba, Canada) were being transported to eastern Canada, on their way to Europe, where they were to join the 2nd Canadian Infantry Brigade. When the train stopped at White River, Ontario, a lieutenant called Harry Colebourn bought a small female black bear cub for $20 from a hunter who had killed its mother. He named her 'Winnipeg', after his hometown of Winnipeg, or 'Winnie' for short.

Winnie became the mascot of the Brigade and went to Britain with the unit. When the Brigade was posted to the battlefields of France, Colebourn, now a Captain, took Winnie to the London Zoo for a long loan. He formally presented the London Zoo with Winnie in December 1919 where "he" became a popular attraction and lived until 1934.


http://pooh.ms11.net/images/photo.gif

Just-Pooh-dot-com

http://www.pooh-corner.com/images/winnie_colebourn_horse.jpg

Winnie on Salisbury Plain, December, 1914, before the Fort Gerry Horse was posted to France.
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wandeljw
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 01:16 pm
There is a new anti-ID organization in the United States for political conservatives.

Quote:
Mission Statement:
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spendius
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 01:22 pm
Sorry about Fosbury. I was a very young at the time.

Here's a few of their boasts.



acrylics (Plexiglas/Perspex/Lucite) - William Chalmers
Actar 911 CPR Dummy - Dianne Croteau, Richard Brault and Jonathan Vinden
air-conditioned railway coach - Henry Ruttan (1858)
antigravity suit - Wilbur R. Franks (1940)
Balderdash - Laura Robinson and Paul Toyne (1984)
basketball - James Naismith (1892)
batteryless radio (AC radio tube) - Edward Samuel Rogers Sr. (1925)
bovril
butter substitute
Canadarm - SPAR and the National Aeronautical Establishment (1981)
calcium carbide and acetylene gas (production of) - Thomas L. "Carbide" Wilson (1892)
carcino embryonic antigen (CEA) blood test - Dr. Phil Gold (1968)
cardiac intensive care unit (first)
cobalt bomb - University of Saskatchewan and Eldorado Mining and Refining (1951)
compound marine engine - Benjamin Franklin Tibbets compound revolving snow shovel (trains)
computerized braille
crash position indicator (C.P.I) - Harry T. Stevinson and David M. Makow (1959)



dental mirror
disintegrating plastic
ear piercer
electric cooking range - Thomas Ahearn (1882)
electric hand prosthesis for children - Helmut Lukas (1971)
electrical car (North America's first)
electric wheelchair - George J. Klein
electron microscope - Prof. E. F. Burton and Cecil Hall, James Hillier and Albert Prebus (late 1930s)
electronic wave organ - Frank Morse Robb (1927)
explosives vapour detector - Dr Lorne Elias (1990)
fathometer - Reginald Fessenden
film developing tank
five pin bowling - Thomas E. Ryan (1909)
foghorn - Robert Foulis (1854)
frozen fish - Dr. Archibald G. Huntsman (1926)



garbage bag (green plastic) - Harry Wasyluk and Larry Hanson (1950s)
Gestalt Photo Mapper - G. Hobrough (1975)
gingerale - John J. McLaughlin (1904)
goalie mask - Jacques Plante (1959)
Green ink - Thomas Sterry Hunt (1862)
hair tonic
heart valve operation (first)
helicopter trap (for landing on ships)
helium as a substitute for hydrogen in airships
hydrofoil boat - Alexander Graham Bell and Casey Baldwin (1908)
IMAX - Grahame Ferguson, Roman Kroitor, Robert Kerr (1968)
instant potato flakes - Dr. Edward Asselbegs and the Food Research Institute (1962)
insulation
insulin (as diabetes treatment) - Dr. Frederick Banting, Dr. Charles Best and Dr. Collip (1921)



Java - James Gosling
Jetline
jolly jumper - Olivia Poole
kerosene - Abraham Gesner (1840)
lacrosse - played since the 1600s; William George Beers set out standard rules (1860)
laser (sailboat) - Bruce Kirby, Ian Bruce and Hans Fogh (1969)
lightbulb (first patented) - Henry Woodward (1874)
liposomes



machine gun tracer bullet
MacPherson gas mask
measure for footwear
Muskol
Newtsuit - Phil Nuytten
newsprint - Charles Fenerty (1838)
Nursing Mother Breast Pads - Marsha Skrypuch (1986)



pablum - Drs. Alan Brown, Fred Tisdall, and Theo Drake (1930s)
pacemaker - Wilfred Bigelow
paint roller - Norman Breakey (1940)
panoramic camera - John Connon (1887)
Phi (position homing indicator for aircraft)
Pictionary - Rob Angel (1986)
pizza pizza telephone computer delivery services
portable high chair
Puzz-3D
(A) Question of Scruples - Robert Simpson (1984)
radar profile recorder - NRC (1947)
radio compass
retractable beer carton handle (Tuck-away-handle Beer Carton) - Steve Pasjac (1957)
rollerskate



screw propeller
ski-binding
snowblower - Arthur Sicard (1927)
snowmobile - Joseph-Armand Bombardier (1937)
snowplow (rotary) - invented by J.W. Elliot (1869), first built by Leslie Brothers (1883)
steam foghorn
standard time - Sir Sanford Fleming (1879)
Stanley Cup - (Canada's Governor-General) Lord Stanley of Preston (1893)
Stol aircraft - de Havilland Canada (1948)
submarine telegraph cable
Superman - Joe Shuster and Jerome Siegel (1938)
table hockey - Donald Munro (1930s)
telephone - Alexander Graham Bell (1874)
Trivial Pursuit - Chris Haney, John Haney and Scott Abbott (1982)



variable Pitch Propeller - Wallace Rupert Turnbull (1918)
Walkie-Talkie - Donald L. Hings (1942)
washing machine
wirephoto - Sir William Stephenson (1921)
Yachtzee
zipper - Gideon Sundback (1913)
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timberlandko
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 01:43 pm
Set - I never knew that about Pooh - sorta like our Smokey (the) Bear[/i][/b]. Thanks for the info.

spendi - ineed - however could we have gotten on sans Balderdash, Pablum, and Trivial Pursuit?
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spendius
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 01:53 pm
timber wrote-

Quote:
spendi - ineed - however could we have gotten on sans Balderdash, Pablum, and Trivial Pursuit?


You have never needed to. They are self evidently endemic.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 2 Jun, 2006 01:58 pm
That's very interesting, Wandel. This muddies the waters considerably for the ID crowd, n'est-ce pas?
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