Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Well, back to the drawing board . . .

Interesting, Thomas. I stand corrected then.



Thankee kindly, Sir! :wink:

In response to the May "science hearings", the Kansas Board of Education made revisions to the state science curriculum standards to require criticism of evolutionary theory. A final vote on the proposed revisions will take place in September or October. The revisions, which were added in June and July, can be viewed on the Kansas State Board of Education website.

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"It is a notorious hazard of the village atheist's vocation to mimic many of the worst features of the dogma he obsessively denounces"no-less-righteous secular pursuers. Americans are, after all, heir to the greatest Enlightenment traditions in self-government and tolerance, while also forming one of the most religion-mad polities in the industrialized West."

[All emphases mine]

(Chris Lehman, Among the Non-Believers: the Tedium of Dogmatic Atheism, ReasonOnline, January, 2005)

ReasonOnline appears to promote the principles of libertarianism and appears to be very confrontational. Can it be considered a reputable source?

I would opine that those who rely upon online sources for their opinions, as opposed to forming those opinions themselves, do not concern themselves with the repute of the source . . .

Set


Set, does this mean you are resigning your office of official A2K history Guru?

Please tell me it is not so.

BBB

I don't understand the logic of your question, Aunt Bee, and i would also be at pains to point out that i've never billed myself as an anything guru . . .

Set


Set, I know, I know. We had to appoint you because you are so humble about your vast knowledge.

Just enjoy your guruship. We will probably find some reason to bring you down at some point in the future.

BBB :wink:

I refuse to be a2k's Savonarola . . .

the question is, will you be my Roly Poly?



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Hungry every minute of the day
Roly Poly gnawin' on a biscuit
As long as he can chew it's okay

He can eat an apple pie and never even bat an eye
He likes anything from soup to hay
Roly Poly,
Daddy's little fatty
I bet he's going to be a man some day

Roly Poly, scrambled eggs for breakfest
Bread and jelly twenty times a day
Roly Poly, eats a hearty dinner
He needs lots strength to sing and play

He's up at dawn to do the chores
Runs both ways to all the stores
He works up an appetite that way
Ro-oly Poly
Daddy's little fatty
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Now why did you post somethin' i'd have to get all squinty-eyed to read ? ! ? ! ?

Even with squinty-eyes, my 70 year old eyes just can't hack it! LOL

Carl Sagan: "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists..." (The Amniotic Universe, Broca's Brain New York Times, p. B9.

Albert Einstein: "We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is."

Isaac Newton: "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." ("General Scholium," in Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy, 1687)

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." (Hoyle, F. 1982. "The Universe: Past and Present Reflections." Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16.) [Hoyle suggested the theory of "Panspermia," which is straight out of sci-fi, but the point is that he recognizes that chaos is not the "author" of the universe.]

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics):"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." (Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, eds., Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La Salle, IL, Open Court, 1992, p. 83)

Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, "When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." (The Physics Of ImmortalityThe Symbiotic, Universe: Life and Mind in the Cosmos. New York: William Morrow, 1988, pp. 26-27)

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God - the design argument of Paley - updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one.... Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument." (Masks of the Universe. New York, Collier Books, Macmillan, pp. 252, 263.)

Although one can never be certain what passes beneath the fevered brows of the religionists, it appears that xprmntr2 considers "intelligent design" to be religion, as opposed to science.

What "appears' is that xprmntr2 found several quotes from people generally considered to be pretty smart who thought there was some organizing principle in the universe. "Intelligent design" has become a meaningless buzzword, used much like "liberal" by those who seek to minimalize an opposing viewpoint.

just hit the quote button and it'll come out just fine

xprmntr, your summary point is?

It is a point which other have made here several times and to which most of you have yet to respond.