timberlandko wrote:We're probably closer on this than you sense - my primary objection to ID-iocy, apart from its wholly absurd central premis, is its surreptitious approach to by force of government impose Fundamentalist Christianity on The Nation's public education system. At root, those behind the endeavor are no different than those who peretrate terror in the name of Islam; facism is fascism, under whatever banner, and is the most severe and poximate danger facing civilization today.
I generally agree with that and have little personal sympathy for the various forms pf Protestant fundamentalism, and in some cases obvious charlatinism that masquerade as Christianity today. I also have no sympathy whatever for attempts to insert biblical metaphors in science texts, either as an explanation or an alternate view. (We know beyond doubt from the geological record that the earth is billions of years old, not thousands as the Old Testasment states).
However i have equal antipathy for the more insidious secular religion that is becomiing more pervasive in our society every day. it is no less intolerant and no less doctrinaire than the former, although its doctrines are a good deal more fashionable among the politically correct today. This secular fundamentalism has declared war on all the spiritual values of our society, and uses the spectre of the rabid fundamentalists as a chariacature of all who oppose or even doubt its doctrinal tenants. It advocates the unalloyed teaching of evolution in the schools (OK by me so far) It also insists that it should have no grounding in the philosophical context in which science resides. (I object to thius and believe the conflict would quickly fizzle out if that were done.) That this should not be included in education - just on the intellectual merits alone - is absurd
timberlandko wrote:I call to your attention the simple historic fact that throughout humankind's tenure on this planet, no cause been the occasion for and rationalization of more bloodshed, destruction, suffering, repression, and horror than The Will of God/the gods.
Well given that, due simply to the exponential; (so far) rise in world population, most of every category of humans who have ever existed are alive today (scientists, etc.), one must recognize the corallary that the exterminations and slaughter of innocent humans of recent years, themselves comprise the majority of all such victims. The fact is the 20th century was a particularly bloody one in terms of the human casualties to contending doctrines. More to the point, the doctrines under which the slaughter of humans was done by the utterly godless and secular Nazi race mongers and the Soviet and Chinese (and Cambodian) Communist "reformers of mankind" during this century have far eclipsed the accumulated slaughter of peoiple over centuries of religious strife. The modern secular "religions" are even bloodier than those that preceded them. Don't blame God for human intolerance.