Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

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"KAS members believe the content of science courses taught in public schools in Kentucky should be determined by the standards of the scientific community."

Wow!I've heard that sort of thing before.

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wow, spendius has discovered "quote mining" and out of context presentation.
Good job spendi, next we will work on your data analyses skills.
Although your specific gravity is higher than that of many of us, perhaps we can see to the headlands in your fogdog.

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fm-

What was out of context?If you are right I apologise.It must have seemed in context to me.
I hadn't noticed I had suddenly started "quote mining".I thought I had been doing it for a long while.Is it not what I think it is?

I'm all in favour of having any of my skills improved and data analysis is in the top drawer.Work away.I would be grateful.

We will see regarding the headlands.

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An Oklahoma news service provides a regular guide to legislation being introduced in their state.

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What's the Legislature planning? Here's your guide
SB 1462 by Sen. Owen Laughlin, R-Woodward, would allow local textbook committees to recommend to school districts textbooks other than those selected and listed by the State Textbook Committee; school districts may buy textbooks recommended by the local textbook committees using money allocated for textbooks.
HB 2526 by Rep. Abe Deutschendorf, D-Lawton, would allow local school boards to insert the teaching of intelligent design when evolution is taught in the classroom.

Such a guide seems very helpful to concerned citizens.

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http://www.sullivan-county.com/images/sci.gif

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wandeljw wrote:

An Oklahoma news service provides a regular guide to legislation being introduced in their state.

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What's the Legislature planning? Here's your guideHB 2526 by Rep. Abe Deutschendorf, D-Lawton, would allow local school boards to insert the teaching of intelligent design when evolution is taught in the classroom.

I would love to see just where bills like HB2526 originate from. How does Abe Deutschendorf decide to author such a bill, and what is his primary motivation?

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What's the Legislature planning?

That reminds me of what Yossarian said as he approached the notice board on which Schwartskoff(?) had placed the weekend agenda.

timber-that's way below your standards.The book could just as easy have read Quantum Physics.

ros-are you really at a loss regarding motivation?

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spendius wrote:

ros-are you really at a loss regarding motivation?

Well, I have my suspicions, but it never hurts to validate them.

Besides, if his motivations are what I think they are, then it's good to shine a bright light on them so everyone can see what their reps are doing.

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timberlandko wrote:

This is the ENTIRE issue summed up in a superbly concise satirical cartoon.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.
But when you're living in your fundamentalist mud hut worshiping the lice crawling on your children while the belief police cut your toes off for not saying the 271 different rule mantras every hour, don't come running or complaining to me because you won't get past the laser armed security guards on the remotely operated gates to my green and fertile estate.

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ros-

As long as you shine a bright light on the other side as well.Needless to say that has not been done and given the obvious bias of the three posts above the last two it might never be.

When the "scientist"types start on base propaganda there is something amiss.If the manner in which the "scientist" coat-tailers have gone about this thread is anything to go by science is the last thing on their mind.

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spendius wrote:

ros-

As long as you shine a bright light on the other side as well.Needless to say that has not been done and given the obvious bias of the three posts above the last two it might never be.

You will need to be specific. You've tried this ruse before and it's baseless.

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When the "scientist" types start on base propaganda there is something amiss.

Yet, they haven't.

spendius wrote:

If the manner in which the "scientist" coat-tailers have gone about this thread is anything to go by science is the last thing on their mind.

In your opinion. However, I consider your opinion less than worthless in this case.

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ros wrote-

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You've tried this ruse before and it's baseless.

That's two assertions in 8 words ros.The "ruse" and the "baseless.There is no ruse and you need to assume there is to get to baseless.The real ruse is your so called scientific outlook which I think is held purely for social reasons.You feel superior with it.It's a style choice.

On the propaganda the 8 words are sufficiently clear and timber's cartoon is addressed to the gullible.So "they have". wande's choice of what to cut out and reproduce is obvious propaganda.There is not the slightest sign of even handedness or a recognition of degrees of cultural difference between "city" and "country".Your side's refusal to face that is not even a ruse.It's hiding.Science is too clever for the peasant and leaves him bewildered and at a disadvantage.Is he not even allowed to try to redress the balance.

I'm not in the least concerned with your opinion.There are nearly 43,000 views on this thread and they won't all be taken in by assertions and insults.Because there are four or five (and reducing) trotting out your tired old meaningless mantras means nothing except maybe that it renders you over-confident and makes your intolerance seemingly respectable.

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spendi, I just gotta ask - are you just having us on here? I mean, have you been playing devils advocate all along?

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Not really timber.There is a case to be made for the other side.It is difficult to explain though.

The simple fact that you "scientifics" think it's cut and dried is a sufficient reason in itself for at least a suspicion to arise that you don't really appreciate the ramifications of a religionless world which is why I think you are dilettantes.
Somebody had to take you on and a flat-out Faustian seems to be what is needed.If that's devil's advocating so be it.Your side are a long way from being flat-out Faustians.Nothing is cut and dried to one of them.You are often spotted being as unscientific as a bunch of washerwomen and I'm not being unscientific with that.

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timber-

Suppose I am having you on.What difference does that make to the argument.Most people thought Faraday and Marconi were having them on.Not that I'm claiming to be in such exalted company.Perish the thought.

The scientific method,a quasi official way of thinking,is not the be all and end all of human progress but I can see how people might think it is who have allowed its productions,wonderful though they are,to overpower their senses and have simply taken for granted the benefits of other modes of thinking because they are not as obvious and ,further,may place restrictions on their self-indulgence.

There's a difference between a "scientific" claiming in a post that he has morals without religion.That isn't worth a gob of spit beside the idea that not all "scientifics" are quite so sweet.And the less sweet ones rise in a loaf with business principles for leavening.

Would you have bought Faust's ticket?And that story,which is at least 500 years older than Goethe,has weighed on our Culture all the way through which is why it is so famous.

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I can understand it would be difficult to make an objective "case for the other side", as you put it - impossible, in fact; "Religion" and "Faith" are purely subjective. And I submit you engage in straw man argument in your contention that anyone is advocating a religionless society; religion has its place, but that place is neither in government nor public education.

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Come on timber-

Are you backing off the idea of a religion free society?

Do you wish government and education to ignore the idea that we might have an eternal life,hardly a minor matter given the endlessness of eternity,or to take it into account?

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spendi

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Do you wish government and education to ignore the idea that we might have an eternal life,hardly a minor matter given the endlessness of eternity,or to take it into account?

Until this becomes a fact filled theory with some evidence, your point lies in the realm of fairy tales . Fairy tales are not included in the First Amendment. In fact they are clearly interpreted by the "establishment" clause, later affirmed by Jefferson and Adams and Madison, and lets not forget Marshall.
Either youve gotta point to some evidence that makes it worth considering or relegate it to the free practice of your religious beliefs.
It certainly isnt part of mine, and, as we say in US "my vote cancels your vote"
Faustian enough for ya.

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Yeah fm-that's sound enough.

But what about red states and blue states.It is a fact that when one side of a cute symbiosis gets too uppity the symbiosis can get cancelled.

I have no religious beliefs mate.I do believe though that religious beliefs have a role to play and that the role can be debated but not gratuitously insulted.

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who said anything about symbiosis when you brought up Red and Blue states. Symbiosis assumes a mutual benefit.

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