Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

ladfoot originally argue that there were no things like biochemistry , molecular biologyetc. what a moroon.

Philosophically, Frank takes a “non guess” nihilistic stance when it comes to God or Gods.

When it comes to a specific God or Gods however he is not unsure of his stance and plays his card.

He chooses in the HOPE that his choice is the correct choice.

That is all you need to know about Frank’s philosophy.

Philosophically,believing that a God exists or doesn’t exist is irrelevant in the whole scheme of things.

Go away, boy. You're drawing flies.

Take no notice of “philosophy” according to Frank.

You only have a hopeful philosophy.

If you believe otherwise then you are delusional.

He's found one he will likely never let go of now. But if he lost that one he would just invent another.

Let's see,… How would farmer put it …

Something like - “ ‘Infinite Regress', is that the only arrow you reality denying atheists have in your quiver?”.

Infinite regress is a self defeating argument here.
All I'd have to say is that he was made the same way atheists believe they themselves were made. I could invoke the same 'god' you do - Nature.

Aw, leadfoot, you can know all about the functioning of the most complex anything, manmade or nature spawned, but that doesn't put you next to a creator's touch. Like Apisa, you just know what you want to know.

As good as any other counter argument, so far anyway.

Not quite accurate. I was about ready to settle for what I wanted.
But when reality turns out to be even better than what you wanted, why turn it down?

You've got what you want anyway. A belief nothing can shake.

That remains to be seen. God could turn out to be the asshole Frank thinks he might be.

You could still be the winner here.
But keep'em coming, your counter arguments really are the best so far. I was being sarcastic about Blue's.

I have yet to see the slightest evidence that a benevolent god is interested in us. Even if I were 100% believing that one exists I would consider it a monster.

That’s what I’m saying. He could turn out to be the God of Frank’s Bible.
Atheism would turn out to be the best approach to living this life.

But I see plenty of evidence of humans projecting their cultural values on their object of worship.

More to answer edgarblythe than you, there is a slight tilt in the scale toward theism. That is, as you put it, people like Leadfoot and me are possessed of a belief that nothing can shake.

All things being equal, skeptic types in this forum who fully believe there isn't a God and theists who believe there is, would be equal. But the scales are tilted toward theism, as I said. Why? Which is more pushy, telling someone that they saw for instance a faerie, or pushing someone into believing faeries don't exist? Before you answer that, keep in mind that I could have seen said faerie in a dream, during a hallucination, after drug use messed with my head a little bit, or had a genuine miraculous event that excited me. On the other hand, while the Don Quixotes of this world are zealous, crushing their ideals is what a real killjoy does. As long as someone's faith makes them overall happy, why try to talk them out of it?
So why do I say that this is tilted towards theism? Well it's because both hardcore "agnostics" pushing people to admit they aren't sure of what they saw and those who are actually telling them what they saw isn't real are being more aggressive than someone who says, "I saw a faerie!" You'd have to push pretty hard to force someone to believe in faeries, but I've seen a ton of bullies out there trying to push little kids to abandon silly superstition.

For the record, I did see a faerie!

From Zelda.



I see plenty of evidence of people imposing their values on others, yes.

This is without making any persuasive arguments to show that it is more like that there is a God than isn't. God existing doesn't appear to demand we believe in him. Neither do I. If you want, I can tell you why it is more likely God exists than not. Bur you will not have to accept it as proof. QED

And then some.

And that's where we have to disagree: anyone can come to Jesus as at any time. Salvation is for everyone. It is between the individual and G*D. No one is cut off until the end.

I'm drawing you and Bulma...who, humorously, says he is going to "IGNORE" me. He doesn't.

And you said you were not going to allow me to draw you into one of these kinds of discussions...and then jumped into on your own, Edgar.

You are being mauled by two people in this thread...me and Edgarblythe.

I'm enjoying it immensely.

Please stick with me.

It's killing you that I no longer fall for your baiting and bullying ways. Flies, dude. Take your flies and go.