Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Is intelligent design theory a valid scientific alternative to evolutionary theory or is it only a religious view?

Is there a consensus in the scientific community one way or the other on this issue?

wandeljw wrote:

Is intelligent design theory a valid scientific alternative to evolutionary theory or is it only a religious view?

Is there a consensus in the scientific community one way or the other on this issue?

There is no intelligent design, just evolved survival body characteristics.

you know what Carl Sagan said about
"extraordinary claims needing extraordinary evidence"

Its ok to keep repeating your mantra but all youre doing is offering your mantra one more time. Theres nothing behind your offering besides you insisting that its valid reasoning.

Psst, its not


Not to get you all bent out of shape , but itd be nice, after the next time you repeat this, that you follow it up with
"... and heres why ..."

Otherwise, you could substitute lessee,,,aliens, mojo mamas, and holy honeybadgers.

Hmm, and you are saying that I need to deal with a "problem" ?
Your flaming me Frank, why?

whatever fills your garden Frank.

look up "flaming"

You have my sympathies FM !

You are quite right asking Frank to qualify his remarks but he has never shown any ability to do so.

It is over 10 years since we have been trying to explain to Frank that the open set of ad hoc hypotheses about causality (be they gods, aliens, etc), are equivalent human social constructions, such that the phrase "possibility of actual independent existence" is facile, as indeed is his mantra about "not doing belief ". He won't accept that that phrase itself constitutes a particularly ludicrous belief on his part!

It is a pity that Frank is likely to be unaware of the "realism/anti-realism debate" in science regarding the ontological status of "entities". That debate has been abandoned by many philosophers and scientists as vacuous.
( Reference: "Arguing about Science" 2012 Alexander Bird, James Ladyman)

oy,

youre getting more and more strident Frank

farmerman wrote:

Hmm, and you are saying that I need to deal with a "problem" ?
Your flaming me Frank, why?

I am not flaming you, FM...you are flaming me....and for no good reason.

What I said up above is obvious...and should be obvious to you.

If there is the possibility of a god...then there is the possibility of intelligent design.

I am not saying "there is a god"...I am not even saying "there is the possibility of a god"...I am merely saying that IF there is the possibility of a god...

...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

No two ways about it in that hypothetical.

So the only way we can get to your "there is no possibility of intelligent design"...which apparently is what you are saying...

...is to assert that there is no possibility of a god.

Is that what you are asserting, FM? Are you asserting that there is no possibility of a god?