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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 11:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
spendi writes from grub street. He tries, he just misses the beachballs and tries his hand at swatting the knuckleballs.
spendius
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 11:51 am
@farmerman,
That says nothing as well. You either know it says nothing or you don't. If it's the latter you would be well advised to go to adult classes.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 11:55 am
@spendius,
I understand farmerman's last post clearly. Too bad you're unable to understand simple concepts.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 12:39 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I explained hinge's point up above.


I appreciate that, Spendius...but I prefer to think of your post as YOUR interpretation of what Hinge's point is.

I want to know what Hinge's interpretation of what his point is.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 12:43 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

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All that being said, however, except for things that are definitionally impossible...it appears anything is possible.


So it is possible the moon is made of orange juice? Will you concede that?


I will repeat that except for things that are definitionally impossible...it appears anything is possible.

If you are interested in whether or not the moon is made of orange juice...please take it up with someone else, because I am not interested in whether the moon is made up of orange juice. Nor am I interested in whether it is possible that the moon is made up of orange juice.

IF the possibility of a GOD exists...then the possibility of intelligent design exists.

Anyone who asserts there is no possibility of intelligent design must first assert that there is no possibility of a GOD existing.
spendius
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I understand farmerman's last post clearly.


I know you do my leetle cheekadee. It not meaning one single ******* thing is right up your street.

The ID movement is out of Harvard which is an outfit that is concerned with reducing the influence of silly sods such as you two.
spendius
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:46 pm
@spendius,
It well knows that some unscrupulous spokespersons using carefully chosen scientific sounding word formulations can easily bamboozle the population into delivering us all up to scientific materialism.

The sellers of quack medicines use the same method.

What you lot need to do is explain the joys of scientific materialism so we can look them over. We are, to some extent, democratic and we like to know what we are buying into before we bite. We don't want it to creep up on us unawares simply by the crude ruse of flattering us all for our scientific knowledge and then finding we cannot escape.

It isn't as if "scientific materialism" is only two fine sounding words.

Your complete failure to describe what the words mean in action, which is self-evident the whole length of the thread despite you being repeatedly asked to do so, is concrete evidence that either you don't know or you wouldn't dare because you know what will happen if you do seeing as it is camel squitter at an infected oasis.

From the point of view of a member of the cadre that supervises North Korea it is, of course, wonderful as it allows extra rations of sugar.

Any old goat can do the scientific materialist mirage from a comfy spot in a world that rejects it so that everybody gets as much sugar as they can stand.

You're laughing at a gift horse.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:18 pm
@farmerman,
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Bill is just calling your bluff


No bluff on my part, Farmerman...just another diversion on yours.

I have not said anything about what should or should not be taught in schools...or any of that other stuff you are talking about.

I have said: IF there is the possibility of the existence of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

I stand by that.

I notice that people, including you, are arguing against everything but that.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I have quit discussing religion with Frank; it's a complete waste of time. His world view is based on "I know what I'm talking about," while at the same time he tells everybody "he can only guess." These simple contradictions are difficult, if not impossible, to rationalize in anybody who thinks like Frank. Like I said, it's a waste of time.

Good post, farmerman, but it'll go way above the head of Frank.


You stopped discussing religion and anything else with me, ci, because you lack the guts to do so.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Naw, I hate wasting time. It's a merry-go-round that never stops, and I've already have seen the same scene a hundred times. One more time is just a waste of more time.

To reiterate, your "if" is a guess. Nothing to discuss.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Naw, I hate wasting time. It's a merry-go-round that never stops, and I've already have seen the same scene a hundred times. One more time is just a waste of more time.

To reiterate, your "if" is a guess. Nothing to discuss.


I don't think so, ci. I am pretty sure that it is because you do not have the guts to discuss these things with me. That would be my guess.

But if it makes you feel better about yourself to pretend that a discussion with me is a waste of time...feel free. No skin off my nose.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
By the way, ci...I have seen you go endlessly in discussion with people who make me look like a saint...and who are on merry-go-rounds that make my arguments look like tomes from Aristotle.

You have no problem sticking in discussions with people who are weak in reasoning and lacking in logic. You have problems with people who are on the other side of that coin.

spendius
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You have no problem sticking in discussions with people who are weak in reasoning and lacking in logic. You have problems with people who are on the other side of that coin.


It didn't take me long to find that out.
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farmerman
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I have not said anything about what should or should not be taught in schools...or any of that other stuff you are talking about.
perhaps then you missed the overall thrust of this thread as started by Wandeljw.



Quote:
I have said: IF there is the possibility of the existence of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.
really?? someday youre going to have to tell me allll about that. Just let me know when so I can make believe that I give a ****.


Quote:
I notice that people, including you, are arguing against everything but that.


See my response above, it fits here too.

as a result of the Dover Pa case.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN --0/ REAL SCIENCE--1


farmerman
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:52 pm
@farmerman,
PS, from your posts I see that you don't consider ID as a science, do you?

That's why this topic was originally created

hingehead
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, I want you to say

'Yes hinge, you are right, it is possible that the moon is made of orange juice.'

Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 03:08 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
I have not said anything about what should or should not be taught in schools...or any of that other stuff you are talking about.
perhaps then you missed the overall thrust of this thread as started by Wandeljw.


I have not missed that at all.

But I have noticed that some people...you being one...seem to insinuate that intelligent design is an impossibility.

I merely wanted to call attention to the criteria for making that assumption...namely that one must first assert there is no possibility of a GOD.





Quote:
Quote:
I have said: IF there is the possibility of the existence of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.
really?? someday youre going to have to tell me allll about that. Just let me know when so I can make believe that I give a ****.


That is just you being nasty, Farmerman. If you do not give a ****...why are you discussing it at such length?



Quote:
Quote:
I notice that people, including you, are arguing against everything but that.


See my response above, it fits here too.


And so does my resp0nse to your response.




Quote:
as a result of the Dover Pa case.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN --0/ REAL SCIENCE--1



I have no problem with that.

BUT...IF there is a possibility of a GOD existing...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

That is an important ingredient in this discussion, Farmerman....whether you can see it and acknowledge it or not.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 03:09 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

PS, from your posts I see that you don't consider ID as a science, do you?

That's why this topic was originally created




I do not see an assertion that where we are now is the result of Intelligent Design as logical.

I also do not see an assertion that where we are now is not the result of intelligent design as logical.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 03:11 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Frank, I want you to say

'Yes hinge, you are right, it is possible that the moon is made of orange juice.'




Oh yes. I understand that. I've understood it for some time now.

How's that going?
spendius
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2013 03:29 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
as a result of the Dover Pa case.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN --0/ REAL SCIENCE--1


Nah--Chattering Classes, Hotels, Restaurants, Prostitutes, Bar owners, Car Hire firms etc etc-- 10/ Taxpayers --10.

Forgetting the flagella foot pump mechanism.
 

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