Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

@Frank Apisa,

Once more in everyday common sense terms you can prove all kind of negative statements such as there is no tooth fairy but in absolute terms no you can not do so.

Only in absolute terms can you not disprove intelligent design for example and in either case this theory have no relationship at all to a scientific theory.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Once more in everyday common sense terms you can prove all kind of negative statements such as there is no tooth fairy...

No...actually you can't. And if you were anywhere near as intelligent as you seem to think you are...you would realize that.

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...but in absolute terms no you can not do so.

Yeah, well "proofs" should be absolute. If they are not...they are not proofs.

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Only in absolute terms can you not disprove intelligent design for example and in either case this theory have no relationship at all to a scientific theory.

There are lots of logical, reasonable cases to be made against the notion of intelligent design...especially when it is presented as Intelligent Design...but you are not presenting one of them.

You do the reasonable, intelligent response to Intelligent Design more harm than help.

You oughta stop.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Yeah, well "proofs" should be absolute. If they are not...they are not proofs.

WRONG as proofs can show that the probability of something being real approach zero as a limit but that all it can do.

You can not prove that the whole universe is but a dream that we will all awake from at any moment.

There is no such thing as absolute proof of anything.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Yeah, well "proofs" should be absolute. If they are not...they are not proofs.

WRONG as proofs can show that the probability of something being real approach zero as a limit but that all it can do.

You can not prove that the whole universe is but a dream that we will all awake from at any moment.

There is no such thing as absolute proof of anything.

So you are arguing that a proof can be a proof so long as we do not demand that it be an actual proof.

Jesus H. Christ, Bill. Are you working on a comedy skit here?

ANYWAY...back to the question.

As I see it, the three options being offered here are:

1) Teach that we are where we are due to Intelligent Design of a GOD.

2) Teach that we are where we are due to evolution...with absolutely no impact from any GOD.

3) Teach that we truly do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence...and we cannot definitively say that a GOD disctated that we be where we are...or that there were no gods involved in any way.

I vote for the third. I think that to be the most logical; the most truthful; the most ethical...and the most useful.

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@Frank Apisa,

Ha frank, you're so funny. Prove to me the moon isn't made of orange juice. If you can't it must be possible. And orange juice may have intelligently designed the universe.

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If I were a god...that pretty much is the way I would have designed it.

Hopelessly circularly anthrocentric.

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@Setanta,

Of course. We speculate, based on what is known and what seems reasonable. I bet what you and ros have posted is not far from the truth.

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@BillRM,

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Only in absolute terms can you not disprove intelligent design for example and in either case this theory have no relationship at all to a scientific theory.

And it never will have for those who make that assertion all their lives whilst refraining from answering arguments that ID is indeed a scientific theory. Which is a type of Ignore.

Do you ever stamp your foot Bill when you assert that ID has no relation at all to scientific theory.

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@spendius,

It can't be scientific if there is no way to prove it with "real evidence."
ID is based entirely on faith and fiction. The bible has too many errors, omissions, and contradictions for it to be factual.

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@hingehead,

Like I said...I am in a discussion with a person who thinks the moon may be made of orange juice.

My work is cut out for me.

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Intelligent design may not be what the IDers are selling. They are selling their idea of what Intelligent Design must be.

But IF there is a GOD...the GOD MAY HAVE intelligently designed things just the way we are discovering.

And it appears that we have a LONG WAY TO GO.

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@Frank Apisa,

So you admit it is possible the moon is made of orange juice?

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@Frank Apisa,

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And it appears that we have a LONG WAY TO GO.

Nah! About as far as the length of a dick.

The case in a nutshell is that the Church places restrictions on dick manipulations and those who resist such restrictions will go to any lengths and engage in endless sophistry in order to prove that such resistance is respectable and socially acceptable because if the Church is right they are subversives.

All the while there is some perfectly good science which proves that the Church is wrong but they have either never heard of it or dare not introduce it due to the very delicacies Christianity has conditioned into them. "Into" being used in the Biblical sense.

It is considered bad form to discuss religion in pubs. Nevertheless such discussions are fairly common. And I have a very long experience of pubs. It wasn't long before I realised, about half way through the second decade, that everybody who argued against the Church had engaged and was still engaging in activities the Church condemns. And abortion was never one of the infractions because nobody was ever willing to talk about that in terms of any personal involvement in it.

And a trend appeared. (I'm a sociologist btw, among other things.) Men with two or three grown up daughters were more against the Church than one might expect all other things being equal. Apart from unborn babies I mean. They count for nothing except what they might turn out useful for. Like paying off the debts which they haven't incurred. And many other uses.

So naturally I cannot help suspecting that anybody who is arguing against the Church is seeking to downplay his inability to control his dick.

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@Frank Apisa,

It simple you can teach any nonsense you care about in your homes or in your churches however in public schools only scientific theories should be taught and ID is not a scientific theory but a religion base theory instead.

If you wish to teach ID in a survey course on world religions for example I would have no problem with doing so.

Just not the false labeling of ID as a scientific theory with the same standing as evolution theory.

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@BillRM,

No ID Bill--no evolution theory. Not the slightest chance. No asymptote needed. ZERO its very self.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

So you admit it is possible the moon is made of orange juice?

Show me where I "admitted" that.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

It simple you can teach any nonsense you care about in your homes or in your churches however in public schools only scientific theories should be taught and ID is not a scientific theory but a religion base theory instead.

If you wish to teach ID in a survey course on world religions for example I would have no problem with doing so.

Just not the false labeling of ID as a scientific theory with the same standing as evolution theory.

Thank you for sharing your opinion about what should or should not be taught in public schools.

I have not touched on that subject.

I merely pointed out that IF there is the possibility of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

So...unless you are asserting there is NO POSSIBILITY OF A GOD...you cannot logically assert there is no possibility of intelligent design.

Why does that bother you so much, Bill?

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm asking you to disprove it - if you can't then you must admit it is possible.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

I'm asking you to disprove it - if you can't then you must admit it is possible.

That is not particularly logical, Hingehead. There are many things I cannot prove or disprove...but that is a comment on my competency rather than on the possibility of things being or not being.

In any case, I am not asking you to prove or disprove anything, Hingehead...and I am not going to take on an assignment to prove or disprove anything for you.

All that being said, however, except for things that are definitionally impossible...it appears anything is possible.

Bottom line: IF there is the possibility of a GOD...then there is the possibilty of intelligent design.

So...what is your point?

Whether I am competent or not...or whether anything except definitionally impossible things are possible...the bottom line on that remains the same.

So again I ask: What is your point?

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@Frank Apisa,

I explained hinge's point up above.

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@Frank Apisa,

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All that being said, however, except for things that are definitionally impossible...it appears anything is possible.

So it is possible the moon is made of orange juice? Will you concede that?

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