Tartarin
I had to google Bohemian Grove, not having bumped into the term before. They probably go on hikes and learn about the various decidious trees and the interconnectedness of forest life.
Nuh-uh. Lotsa goings-on, per conspiracy reporters and others.
interesting article in The Guardian today.
The journalist even made a comparison between the Iraqi information minister and Rummy.
Quote:On one of the bleakest days since the invasion began, US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld yesterday shrugged off turmoil and looting in Iraq as signs of the people's freedom.
"It's untidy, and freedom's untidy," he said, jabbing his hand in the air. "Free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things."
Mr Rumsfeld insisted that words such as anarchy and lawlessness were unrepresentative of the situation in Iraq and "absolutely" ill-chosen.
"I picked up a newspaper today and I couldn't believe it," he said. "I read eight headlines that talked about chaos, violence, unrest. And it just was Henny Penny - 'The sky is falling'. I've never seen anything like it! And here is a country that's being liberated, here are people who are going from being repressed and held under the thumb of a vicious dictator, and they're free. And all this newspaper could do, with eight or 10 headlines, they showed a man bleeding, a civilian, who they claimed we had shot - one thing after another. It's just unbelievable ..."
In an extraordinary performance reminiscent of the Iraqi information minister who assured the world that all was well even as battles raged visibly around him, Mr Rumsfeld quipped:
"The images you are seeing on television you are seeing over, and over, and over, and it's the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase, and you see it 20 times, and you think, 'My goodness, were there that many vases? Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?' "
In what appeared to be a concerted effort to damp down media coverage of the chaos, the British government simultaneously laid into the BBC and its defence correspondent, Andrew Gilligan, accusing them of "trying to make the news" rather than reporting it.
A spokesman for prime minister Tony Blair claimed that "in the main the anarchy and disorder is being directed against symbols of the regime". Mr Gilligan hit back: "The reality is half the shopping district [in Baghdad] is now being looted. Downing Street may be saying it's only regime targets that are being attacked. I'm afraid it isn't."
In the absence of any authority, residents of Baghdad have been erecting barricades to keep out marauders and there is some evidence of shooting, either between looters and citizens who are trying to protect their own property, or between rival gangs of looters.
Hospitals and laboratories have been ransacked, with thieves often seizing vital equipment - heart monitors, incubators and microscopes - which is of no obvious use to them. A report today says only one hospital in the city still has a functioning operating theatre.
The International Committee of the Red Cross has reminded the US and Britain of their legal obligation under the Geneva Convention to protect civilians and essential services such as hospitals.
The US yesterday appealed for Baghdad's police - as well as fire and ambulance services - to resume work. It is doubtful that many will do so at present: the public is unlikely to welcome a return of the old regime's crime prevention apparatus, and the police themselves may be unwilling to put their lives at risk to help out the Americans.
"Kittyhawk and Constellation Aircraft Carrier Battlegroups to stand down following completion of current Air Tasking orders"
"Perhaps 200 or more Baghdadi police to begin accompanying USMC patrols throughout Baghdad within 24 hours"
timber, That is very good news. Do you think they can control the mobs of the past few days? c.i.
Another recent report: it seems that the general in charge of WMD's has surrendered, and told the allies that no WMD's exists in Iraq.
We'll need to wait and see on this one. c.i.
Hmmm. They have a general in charge of something that doesn't exist?
Probably much the same as our having a Department of Defense, Roger!
The list released by the United States government of the 55 most wanted members of the former Iraqi Regime is :
1. Saddam Hussein -- president and commander-in-chief of the military
2. Qusai Hussein -- Special Security Organization, Special Republican Guard and Republican Guard Forces Command commander
3. Odai Hussein -- Saddam Fedayeen commander
4. Abid Hamid Mahmud Al Tikriti-- presidential secretary (WMD release authority)
5. Ali Hasan Majid -- presidential adviser, former Southern Region commander
6. Izzat Ibrahim al Douri -- vice chairman of the Revolutionary Command
Council, Northern Region commander
7. Hani Abd Latif Tilfa al Tikriti -- Special Security Organization director
8. Kamal Mustafa Abdallah Sultan Tikriti -- Republican Guard secretary
9. Barzan Abd Ghafur Sulayman al Tikriti -- Special Republican Guard commander
10. Muzahim Sa'b Hassan al Tikriti -- Air Defense Force commander
11. Ibrahim Ahmad Abd al Sattar Muhammad al Tikriti -- armed forces chief of
staff
12. Sayf al Din Fulayyih Hassan Taha al Rawi -- Republican Guard Forces
command chief
13. Rafi Abd Latif al Tilfah -- DGS director
14. Tahir Jalil Habbush al Tikriti -- Iraqi Intelligence Service (Mukhabarat)
director
15. Hamid Raja Shalah al Tikriti -- Air Force commander
16. Abd al Tawab Mullah Huwaysh -- Office of Military Industrialization
director (WMD production)
17. Aziz Salih Numan -- Baath Party regional commander/commander Baath Party Militia -- Regional Command
18. Muhammad Hazmaq al Zubaydi -- Central Euphrates Region commander
19. Sultan Hashim Ahmad al Tal -- Defense Minister
20. Ayad Futayyih Khalifa al Rawi --Al Quds Force chief of staff
21. Zuhayr Talib Abd al Sattar al Naqib -- Directorate of Military
Intelligence director
22. Abd al Baqi abd Karim al Sadun -- Baath Party chairman and commander
Baath Party Militia -- Baghdad
23. Muhammad Zimam Abd al-Razzaq al Sadun --Baath Party chairman and
commander Baath Party Militia -- Ta'mim and Ninawa Governates
24. Samir abd al Aziz al Najm --Baath Party chairman and commander Baath
Party Militia -- Diyal Governate
25. Yahya Abdallah al Ubaydi -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Basrah Governate
26. Nayif Shindakh Thamir -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Salah ad Din Governate
27. Sayfal al Din al Mashhadani -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Muthanna Governate
28. Fadil Mahmud Gharib -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party
Militia -- Babil/Karbala Governate
29. Muhsin Khadar al Khafaji -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Qadasiyah Governate
30. Rashid Taan Kazim -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party
Militia - Anbar Governate
31. Ugla Abid Sighar al-Kubaysi -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Maysan Governate
32. Ghazi Hamud al Adib -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party
Militia - Wasit Governate
33. Adil Abdallah Mahdi al Duri al Tikriti -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Dhi Qar Governate
34. Husayn Al Awawi -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia --Ninawa Governate
35. Khamis Sirhan al Muhammad -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath Party Militia -- Karbala Governate
36. Sad Abd al Majid al-Faysal -- Baath Party chairman and commander Baath
Party Militia -- Salah ad Din Governate
37. Latif Nussayif Jasim al Dulaymi -- deputy Baath Party chairman
38. Taha Yassin Ramadan -- vice president
39. Rukan Razuki abd Al Ghaful Sulayman al Tikriti -- Chief of Tribal Affairs
40. Jamal Mustafa Abdallah Sultan al Tikriti --Deputy Chief of Tribal Affairs
41. Mizban Khidir Hadi -- Revolutionary Command Council member, Region CDR Central Euphrates Region
42. Taha Muhyl al Din Maruf -- Vice President and Revolutionary Command
Council member
43. Tariq Aziz -- Deputy Prime Minister
44. Walid Hamid Tawfiq al-Tikriti -- Governor of Basrah Governate
45. Hikmat al Azzawi -- Deputy Prime Minister, Economics and Finance Minister
46. Mahmud Dhiyab al Ahmad -- Minister of the Interior
47. Amir Rashid Muhammad al Ubaydi -- former Oil Minister
48. Muhammad Mahdi al-Salih -- Minister of Trade
49. Husam Muhammad al-Yasin -- National Monitoring Director
50. Sabawi Ibrahim -- Baath Party, Saddam Hussein's maternal half-brother
51. Watban Ibrahim Hasan al Tikriti -- Baath Party, Hussein's half-brother
52. Barzan Ibrahim Hasan al Tikriti -- Baath Party, Hussein's half-brother
53. Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash -- Party Youth and Trade Bureau chairman
54. Humam Abd al-Khaliq Abd al-Ghafur -- Minister of Higher Education and Scientific Research
55. Amir Hamudi Hasan al-Sadi -- presidential scientific adviser/NMD Director-General
(Note: Some individuals have been accounted for)
It also appears there is substance to this morning's rumor yet another "Potential WMD Discovery" has been made, complete with the customary "Positive initial tests" and pending "Further and more sophisticated analysis.". This "Find" involves supposed Surface-to-Surface missile warheads found by the 173rd at or near the Airbase at Mosul.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84013,00.html
Quote:North Korea Hints it Would Accept Multilateral Talks Over Nuclear Dispute
Gee ... wonder if Kim Jong Il might be just a little shocked and awed?
Gee, I wonder if you're gloating...
Ya caught me snood ... My Bad
This forum seems to be lacking one personality that I haven't communicated for a very long time. I'm just wondering...... c.i.
Definitely not you, dys. c.i.
Timber,
The news of the DPRK's movement on its former diplomatic position is welcome. Most observing this diplomatic conflict, myself included, see this as an expected move given the Iraqi conflict outcome. Now the North Koreans would expect the U.S. to move diplomatically towards the center of an ultimate agreement with them.
But will this happen? The Bush administration et al are just coming off a victory high. Question is: Are they feeling cocky enough to subject the North Koreans to P. Wolfowitz and R. Perle style foreign policy? Is this to be "business as usual" or "in your face!" diplomacy?
Might be interesting and informative, relative to further diplomacy with the DPRK, as to what encouraged the North Koreans to soften their position, success in Iraq or cancellation of fuel oil delivery by the Bushies?
JM
Gee, perhaps China took the hint and put some pressure on...? (I don't think the DPRK are so shockable and awe-able.)
I believe both China and Russia have indicated to DPRK that they too have concerns impacted by implications of escalating dispute and look with some dismay on DPRK's negotiating progress.
Tartar, I agree with you; I think NK is willing to play the political game as far as they can go.
Timber, Do you really think DPRK will listen to China and Russia, when what they said about the war with Iraq didn't help one iota? The Iraqi regime is gone in less than one month of war.
c.i.
The truth and nothing but the truth :
uh oh, this is one of the guys I don't we wanted to find:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/899067.asp?0na=x2212121-
