The US, UN & Iraq II

Sofia said



You might not have noticed but we just fought a war because Bush has quite strong views on who should lead Iraq.

TW

US troops did more than target journalists. They opened fire on more than one occasion killing at least 4 and wounding several others. These deliberate acts of murder of non embedded journalists will ever be to the shame of those who authorised it, and will never be forgotten by their families, fellow professionals, or the rest of the world.

ps strongly suggest you edit (i.e. delete) your defammatory and absurd remarks directed at Geli.

Perception - Because, if I try to put myself in the shoes of an Iraqi, feeling a bit threatened by the possiblility of a new, foreign regime (not saying it'll happen, but that many Iraqis fear it will happen), to see an american flag go up would make me very nervous.

Besides, that was a quote from a journalist, not my words.

This was what an Al-Jazeera reporter in Bagdad said in an interview with Dutch TV news:

- How did you yourself experience this day?
- It was totally different than what i expected. I thought, the Americans will come with a lot of razzmatazz, will not be, eh, all too pleasant. But it was very different. We had the luck with [the incident from yesterday, when the journalists were shot at], it was as if they now were extra cautious. They were almost too cautious. Everything went so smooth, almost as if it was a play. it was very different from what i expected."

LittleK wrote:

Perception - Because, if I try to put myself in the shoes of an Iraqi, feeling a bit threatened by the possiblility of a new, foreign regime (not saying it'll happen, but that many Iraqis fear it will happen), to see an american flag go up would make me very nervous.

Isn't it a bit presumptuous thinking that you can "get inside the head" of an Iraqi who has not known freedom in 30 years. It must be wonderful to able to form that sort of mental concept even though you have always known freedom---please tell me how you can do that.

Well, for one perception, I read a lot of interviews with Iraqis.


From the BBC - moving right along: the set-up.

Iraq latest: At-a-glance

BBC News Online charts the latest developments in the Iraq conflict.
[All times GMT and approximate]

Wednesday, 9 April

1852: US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says Syria has been ignoring a warning he gave last week about giving military assistance to Iraq and that some senior Iraqis were fleeing to Syria.

Nimh wrote:

<Rumsfeld was actually putting Saddam on one line with Hitler and Stalin. Hitler and Stalin! How's a European supposed to buy into that? Ceausescu, whom he mentioned as well - OK. He probably just added Hitler and Stalin because most Americans wouldnt know who Ceausescu was, but it just makes it ... this continuous impression that he takes us as being stupid is not doing his case any good, here.>

Nimh

I submit the proposition that the only difference is in the number of people killed. Saddam killed only a couple of million---Stalin and Hitler combined killed ten to fifteen times that many. Last figures I saw showed approximately 150 million give or take a few million.
When you have figures like that whats few million----unless you happen to be one of them!

Seems to me the US had something to do with Hitler and Stalin---or was that just a bad dream? I can see where Europeans would have a difficult time "buying" into something that has not touched them---or maybe it's just that most of the anti-war folks are in your age bracket and / or their memory is very short.

interesting about the flag waving streets full of celebrants, as i type Peter Arnett is live saying that he cant get anywhere in Bagdad all the streets are blocked off due to heavy fighting everywhere.

LittleK wrote:

Well, for one perception, I read a lot of interviews with Iraqis.


I would like to read those interviews ----- can you please provide a link?

Sofia said

Quote:
Bush has said many times he has nothing to do with who will lead Iraq.
______________

Verra funna. OK, as of today Bush will not have anything to do with who leads Iraq. You know what I meant.

from

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

Dyslixia wrote:

<interesting about the flag waving streets full of celebrants, as i type Peter Arnett is live saying that he cant get anywhere in Bagdad all the streets are blocked off due to heavy fighting everywhere.>

Is him trying to find his buddy Saddam? I feel so sorry for him. I'll bet Saddam lied about that money in a Swiss account that prompted Arnett to go the treasonous route.

You may be the only person in the world that thinks Peter Arnett has any credibility.

yeah you must be right perception cause i am watching NBC, well known for loving Saddam and certainly Arnett has more credibility than the Faux News Jeraldom but i'm quite sure your judgement of all things surpasses us mere mortals. what was the name of that sheep, Dolly?

Yes of course I knew what you meant Sophia, but I also think Bush is lying. He is very interested in the power structure in Iraq and in making sure that the right people are in control. He is not a disinterested party here, content to sit back and watch just anyone run that country so long as they are Iraqi. They have to fullfil two criteria 1. Be Iraqi 2. Be GWB's type of Iraqi.

Having fought a war to ensure (amongst other things) that US corporations are allowed to bid for newly privatised oil concessions, do you really think that a democratically elected Iraqi regime would be allowed to nationalise Iraqi oil if it wanted to?

They will of course be free, but free to do anything Americans approve.

Dyslexia, what do you get when you cross a hooker and a computer?



A freakin know it all. ;o))

when I run across the interviews, perception, I'll post them.

What do you get when you cross a computer with a liberal?

Alot of different things, but they're all wrong.
Yep, all wrong, all the time...

Wrong.



All the time....



Wrong.



Again and again.




Like a bad Groundhog Day.



Wake up.... WRONG.
Wake up... WRONG. Try it again, but I know what's going to happen....

okiedokie, back to the war......

Iraq latest: At-a-glance
_____________________________________________________________
BBC News Online charts the latest developments in the Iraq conflict.
[All times GMT and approximate]

Wednesday, 9 April

1915: US Vice President Dick Cheney talks will be held with exiled Iraqis and local leaders near the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriya on Saturday to begin planning for an interim Iraqi government.
_____________________________________________________________

at least he'll go there.

littlek now Cheney has misspoke hisself he really meant (according to Ari) the meeting will be sometime after next saturday.

And so it goes!