Perception, is that supposed to make me feel sorry for Bush ?
Gautam
Perception is correct to suggest that this action against Iraq was not originally Bush's idea.... from recall of Woodward's account, on Sept 12, Rumsfeld suggested "Why don't we get Iraq too?". Cheney initially spoke against the idea, "We'll look like the bad guys"...then within days, Cheney and Bush signed on.
The first written document by Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle and crowd (the Rumsfeld team, let's call it) arguing for attacking Iraq came out in 1992.
Bush is the one who is the supreme commander of the US military, nonetheless.
Or does plausible deniability run in the Bush family? Is Rove's script in which Bush is genial and a delegator (never really responsible) based on real life, or is it a fiction? I'm not at all convinced by the Bush-is-a-pawn theory.
I have these visions of Bush Sr calling Bush Jr in his room and saying "Son, it is upto you to achieve what I could not. Remember the debts of father are paid by his son"..
"I'm not at all convinced by the Bush-is-a-pawn theory"
i'm not either and he certainly has set this scenerio so that if it falls apart he can easily point fingers elsewhere.
Dys -- Agree. What I haven't figured out is Rumsfeld's role. He has seemingly made a mess but has not been "corrected" or removed. So what if the mess is intentional???
Kara wrote:
Ashcroft can only erode the rights of US citizens;
Tsk, Tsk, Kara----Blatham seems to have done a fairly good job in eroding the rights of US citizens---Re: his censorship of me last night.
Gautam wrote:
Perception, is that supposed to make me feel sorry for Bush ?
Not at all---just correcting your earlier statement that Bush immediately targeted Iraq after 9/II.
Kara wrote:
And you are right in that Bush is just a pawn, being moved by the strong players.
Many people hold this opinion ---- anyone who takes the time to read Woodwards book will come away with a different opinion.
perc, there was no censorship of you; objection was posed to the personal attack style of the post in question. Besides, blatham can censure you, which he did and rightly so. I CAN censor you, which I have not done. I too censured your comment. Just setting the facts straight here. I have no desire to offer a concrete example of "Censure" vs "Censor". I trust I will not be given, by any of this (or any other) thread's participants, reason to do so.
Yeah I know Timber----I believed I had a valid point but it's now history and let's move on.
Bush a prawn?
Insulting to crustaceans if you ask me.
It's very interesting about the tunnel from the airport just captured----this tunnel may well lead to the bunker that Saddam is using---Saddam may not be sleeping very much---taking quick naps and waking at every noise.
You may see Saddam in handcuffs in a few days---he must be captured or displayed dead before we can complete the liberation of Iraq.
Steve wrote:
Bush a prawn?
Insulting to crustaceans if you ask me.
I am puzzled at your insistence on hurling insults at this President
even though I don't recall anyone on this thread and particular me saying anything critical let alone insulting about your PM.
It would appear that you are deliberately attempting to provoke a similar response against you.
perception,
As long as insults about leaders, which I find mostly pointless, are not taken personally it does not become an issue of reciprocal action.
ok perc
lets not fight shell we?
Yesterday I read that Detroit awarded Saddam Hussein the key to the city, or some such.
Well today I learn that our own fair city of Birmingham has its own mosque dedicated to that same distinguished international benefactor viz
The President Saddam Hussein Mosque on Birchfield Street
and THERE IT WAS
Hope that's detailed enough for the USAF.
steve,
That link is stretching the page. To fix this just change:
www.a_looooooooooooooooooong_link.com to:
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