The Case of Pornography

NobleCon wrote:

A "normal" job, as with an accountant or a auto mechanic, does not require physical abuse in order for one to obtain a pay-check. One does not have to practically ingest a penis to the point of tears or "throwing-up" in order to pay the rent or purchase food.

Have you seen the acts performed by these men for the sake of "quality" adult filming?"

Physical abuse? Are you kidding? Many women do this in their own homes free of charge.

Give me a break. Listen to or watch an interview of a porn star. They do not, in any way, believe they are being abused. Most of them really enjoy it and say so.

Thanks, Bella.

And quite honestly, I doubt the people doing the acting are getting f***ed any more than are those other people either.

Sanctuary wrote:

That said, you'd think they'd make it more believable...

Making it realistic would involve presenting solutions to the problems that are preventing the viewers from having sex in the first place. Presenting solutions acknowledges the problems and rubs them in. You don't make money by antagonising your target audience.

I'm reading Sex Carnival right now. Fascinating look at the (recent) history of the biz.

It surprises me that a man in his 20's is so sexually repressed. And I don't mean that as a nasty comment. I just wonder where you got these ideas and why you believe the things you do. It seems that someone so young would be far more open to sexuality.

Porn isn't for everyone; read the threads on here and that will be abundantly clear to you. However, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you have to get all snippety and "take your ball and go home". You put this thread out there to find out what others thought of this idea, right? I am sorry you didn't like the outcome. I hope you realize that this is what this forum is all about; sharing your ideas and thoughts and beliefs, even if no one else here agrees with you. You are free to feel the way you do just like I am free to feel the way I do.

Where did I get this idea and why do I believe it?

In short, the woman, to my reception, was treated as a slave: at times her hands were restrained, others not;

at some points oral sex resembled chinese torture methods, as in "take it" or die;

and, to say the least, what we would name 'sex' was extreme physical penetration.

As for what the forum is about, I am well aware of it. I will say to you what I told Mr. Apisa on a previous reply: please, when you found an error, even if you "believe" it is an error- whether of judgment, taste, or sentiment- discuss it with me. Socrates taught me that I learn this way.

Again, thank you for your reply.

And, once more, I would like to say that I do not find it "abusive," but only "analogous" to sex-slavery, and this only to certain venues in modern pornography. Nowhere have I mentioned that I find it completely abusive to the actresses, and certainly not in every case. This much I believed was understood.

NobleCon wrote:

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And, once more, I would like to say that I do not find it "abusive," but only "analogous" to sex-slavery, and this only to certain venues in modern pornography. Nowhere have I mentioned that I find it completely abusive to the actresses, and certainly not in every case. This much I believed was understood.

Where does the "slavery" come in if you don't think the actresses are slaves?

Some people are turned on by pornography, some are not. Men and women both. I don't see how it is slavery if people respect those that do or don't want to view it.

Is it "slavery" because they engage in sexual play that you personally find disgusting?
Whatever 2 (or more) people agree to do to each other willingly can hardly be referred to as "slavery." (It might be extremely perverted ;-) but not slavery. )

Is it "slavery" because you are concerned that it might lead people to commit illegal acts?
That would be a crime and then we could discuss whether pornography is a symptom or a cause of the criminal acts.

I wish to know why is it that the development of modern pornography has evolved into the "slave-handling" of women that participate in it? The models that involve themselves degrade themselves into sex slaves without borders, and I find it revolting.

Is it anything more than abusive prostitution- money for sex-slavery?

What is wrong with this view of mine? That some actresses, whether on web-pages or video, or both, seem, at certain moments, to be treated as if they were indeed the slave to the man's full lot of sexual desires?

Initial thoughts: Pornography is a depiction of fantasy. Some men and women like assuming roles of passivity and domination. The glory of free will is that those of us who do not enjoy these activities can go do something else.

NobleCon wrote:

I wish to know why is it that the development of modern pornography has evolved into the "slave-handling" of women that participate in it? The models that involve themselves degrade themselves into sex slaves without borders, and I find it revolting.

Is it anything more than abusive prostitution- money for sex-slavery?

NobleCon wrote:

What is wrong with this view of mine? That some actresses, whether on web-pages or video, or both, seem, at certain moments, to be treated as if they were indeed the slave to the man's full lot of sexual desires?

So which is your actual view. These two statements by you - the first is your initial post on this thread, reflect quite different persepectives.