STUPID AIRPORT SECURITY

some security experts have pointed out that the first security barrier needs to be "before the airport is entered" . they said that at present anyone can enter an airport unchallenged and that is a greater risk than someone getting on to a plane .
also there is very little or no checkeing done on aircraft cleaners ; they pretty well have free access at any time .
any individual or any group of people determined to cause loss of life will have very little trouble under the current safety/security procedures to do so .
as independent audits have shown , people have been able to bring pretty much any stuff onboard if they knew how to exploit the loopholes .
hbg

My point is that most terrorists--I didn't say ALL, I said Most, the lion's share, the large majority, 99 out of a 100?, terrorists or those exporting terrorism these days are Middle Easterners or of Middle Eastern descent.

Foxfyre wrote:

My point is that most terrorists--I didn't say ALL, I said Most, the lion's share, the large majority, 99 out of a 100?, terrorists or those exporting terrorism these days are Middle Easterners or of Middle Eastern descent.

99 out of 100? You must be kidding.

Not just were the seven men arrested for allegedly plotting to blow up the FBI HQ in Miami, which Clark Kent Ervin mentioned in his article, all black.

Not just was Padilla Hispanic; and was John Walker Lindh white, as he also mentions.

The "shoe bomber", Richard Reid, was no Arab either.

The head of the French domestic intelligence agency, Pascal Mailhos, has said he was worried about the "booming phenomenon" of white Muslim converts, which is "in full expansion". French intelligence concluded that 3 percent of the converts "belong to or are in the circle of the movement of Islamist combatants."

At least three Muslim converts (non-Arab) in France have been convicted in recent years on terror-related charges.

When last year Dutch police smoked out two men with, allegedly, terrorist plans, from their downtown Hague hideout after a 14-hour siege that ended with a gunfight and the men throwing a handgrenade, they turned out to be non-Arab converts to Islam, born of American parents.

One of another four arrested that day for plotting the murder of two Dutch parliamentarians was a non-Arab called Jason.

Similarly, the 17-year old who was caught making a bomb that he wanted to use to kill Dutch far-right politician Geert Wilders was a converted white Dutchman.

The Muslim extremist who sent death threats to Belgian Senator Mimount Bousakla was a white Flemish convert.

Muriel Degauque, a Belgian convert who blew herself up in a suicide attack on US troops in Iraq, was white.

All of these examples have been mentioned in this thread before.

Extremist Islamists are deliberately targeting vulnerable whites and blacks, for example in prisons, where the number of converts is growing.

An Al-Qaeda-related website has boasted that "the future al-Qaida soldier" will be a converted Muslim "born in Europe of European and Christian parents."

What exactly do you mean by the term "physical similarities". Indonesians and Arabs are from different continents.

Generally a bit smaller/shorter than the average caucasians, darker skin than most caucasians, lots of facial hair depending on which sect they belong to, etc. Either would not be hard to pick out of a crowd for a bit of extra scrutiny.

Foxfyre wrote:

Generally a bit smaller/shorter than the average caucasians, darker skin than most caucasians, lots of facial hair depending on which sect they belong to, etc. Either would not be hard to pick out of a crowd for a bit of extra scrutiny.

Like a Greek monk, fot instance or - without a lot of facial hair - like an Italian, or someone from the Iberian peninsula?

I don't giving a flying fig who anybody is or who is or who isn't inconvienced. I do care whether I get on a plane that somebody plans to blow up or fly into a building with me or any other innocent people in it. And whomever has to be inconvienced to reduce the chances of that happening, I'm going to vote for it.

nimh wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

My point is that most terrorists--I didn't say ALL, I said Most, the lion's share, the large majority, 99 out of a 100?, terrorists or those exporting terrorism these days are Middle Easterners or of Middle Eastern descent.

99 out of 100? You must be kidding.

Not just were the seven men arrested for allegedly plotting to blow up the FBI HQ in Miami, which Clark Kent Ervin mentioned in his article, all black.

Not just was Padilla Hispanic; and was John Walker Lindh white, as he also mentions.

The "shoe bomber", Richard Reid, was no Arab either.

The head of the French domestic intelligence agency, Pascal Mailhos, has said he was worried about the "booming phenomenon" of white Muslim converts, which is "in full expansion". French intelligence concluded that 3 percent of the converts "belong to or are in the circle of the movement of Islamist combatants."

At least three Muslim converts (non-Arab) in France have been convicted in recent years on terror-related charges.

When last year Dutch police smoked out two men with, allegedly, terrorist plans, from their downtown Hague hideout after a 14-hour siege that ended with a gunfight and the men throwing a handgrenade, they turned out to be non-Arab converts to Islam, born of American parents.

One of another four arrested that day for plotting the murder of two Dutch parliamentarians was a non-Arab called Jason.

Similarly, the 17-year old who was caught making a bomb that he wanted to use to kill Dutch far-right politician Geert Wilders was a converted white Dutchman.

The Muslim extremist who sent death threats to Belgian Senator Mimount Bousakla was a white Flemish convert.

Muriel Degauque, a Belgian convert who blew herself up in a suicide attack on US troops in Iraq, was white.

All of these examples have been mentioned in this thread before.

Extremist Islamists are deliberately targeting vulnerable whites and blacks, for example in prisons, where the number of converts is growing.

An Al-Qaeda-related website has boasted that "the future al-Qaida soldier" will be a converted Muslim "born in Europe of European and Christian parents."

Okay, 99% is perhaps an exaggeration though the examples you cite of non-Middle Easterners committing terrorism lately are really anomalies when you consider the maybe 100,000+ or more members of al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizzbolah, etc. scattered around the world. Even members of the Indonesian terrorist groups bear some physical similarities.

But I'll concede the exaggeration and amend my statement to be "a very substantial percentage".

Foxfyre wrote:

I don't giving a flying fig who anybody is or who is or who isn't inconvienced. I do care whether I get on a plane that somebody plans to blow up or fly into a building with me or any other innocent people in it. And whomever has to be inconvienced to reduce the chances of that happening, I'm going to vote for it.

So we are all in agreement then. We all will ay the price of security and accept the inconvience that comes with it without complaining.

No, I am not a racist nor does anybody who knows me think that I am. I am a pragmatist, however, and I think if it is a short, fat red-headed Irishman who robs the bank, you don't waste time chasing down black guys or Italians or Middle Eastern looking guys to catch that bank robber.

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Now if you can refute that logic without being personally insulting, go for it.

And when the large lion's share of people committing terrorist acts these days are Middle Eastern looking guys, I think it is appropriate to look more closely at Middle Eastern looking guys to protect everybody, including the vast majority of Middle Eastern looking guys who aren't terrorists.

Foxfyre wrote:

No, I am not a racist nor does anybody who knows me think that I am. I am a pragmatist, however, and I think if it is a short, fat red-headed Irishman who robs the bank, you don't waste time chasing down black guys or Italians or Middle Eastern looking guys to catch that bank robber.

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Now if you can refute that logic without being personally insulting, go for it.

I can refute that logic easily... I am not sure if I can do it without being insulting.

This racial profiling is not looking for some one who has robbed a bank. What you are suggesting is that because you have noted that past bank robbers have been Irish, we should pay special scrutiny for people who look Irish.

We are not looking for the perpetrator of past crimes, your suggestion for racial profiling is judging someone's likelihood of doing a future crime based on the color of their skin.

Of course I agree with you that race (the fact that brown-skinned people are different) has nothing to do with this.

We all know that when a white American (of Scottish descent) commited the second worse (and at the time the worse) terrorist act commited in the US (Oklahoma city)-- we game same extra scrutiny to white people with a Christian doctrine and brown-skinned people were allowed to walk through the newly erected security stations at federal building and avoiding the extra security.

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And when the large lion's share of people committing terrorist acts these days are Middle Eastern looking guys, I think it is appropriate to look more closely at Middle Eastern looking guys to protect everybody, including the vast majority of Middle Eastern looking guys who aren't terrorists.

This example has nothing to do with your silly bank robber example, but let's refute it again anyway. The majority of people that are being put forward as terrorists aren't even "Middle Eastern" (nor do they look it). There are African Americans (the Florida click) and Indonesians (who are Asian looking) and then you can include the shoebomber, etc.

This is not to mention the fact that many "Middle Eastern" people (especially Syrians) could easily pass for white European if they wanted to.