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Moderate Democrats (also liberals)

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:43 pm
@engineer,
He DOES have concrete plans about how to get there. You guys should be accountable about your statements.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:46 pm
@hightor,
I think the difference in ‘handling it well’ and possessing a winning alternative is KEY.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:53 pm
The problem is that Klobuchar, and the rest of the candidates are far to the left in many issues than the center of America... the very voters they are going to need to win in the general election.

When you are talking about moderate Democrats, we should be talking about people who can reach out to pro-life Americans, or people who are nervous about trans-women in women's locker rooms, or people who are uncomfortable with Black Lives Matter or MeToo....

It doesn't mean that the candidate should be conservative on any of these issues... but it does mean that they need to be moderate, and be willing to listen to a variety of beliefs held by the voters outside of the ideological bubble.

No one on this thread is addressing the real issue.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 08:12 pm
In my opinion moderate democrats are those who essentially agree with the democratic platform but for example think that maybe a $10 or $12 minimum wage is a better first step for most of America than $15. Or that expanding current Medicare programs down to 50 years olds is a good step towards UHC.

If you’re looking for moderate Democrats to support some republican ideas, well, I think mostly you’re looking for true independents or centrists (not the far left or far right independents, but independents with policy preferences on both sides of the isle).

This thread isn’t specifically about true centrists. Just about how moderate democrats differ from progressive. We can talk about whatever but if the question is what I intended this thread to be, the answer is moderate Democrats, not centrists.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 08:34 pm
@maporsche,
What we have is a divided political class... two opposite sides each insisting on ideological purity, neither side representing the opinions of real middle Americans facing real issues they find important.

I don't think I am describing a centrist. I am describing someone who will reject extremism on the left and the right to find sensible policies that for outside the political dogma.

I believe Obama was a moderate in this way.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 09:33 pm
@maporsche,
The liar is YOU, who said that you support bold policy moves in certain circumstances, but when asked for examples, couldn't provide a single one, and ended up saying that any politician proposing a significant transformative change is necessarily a liar...

That's all I wanted to prove. You are a slave to baby steps, unable to think in more ambitious terms. A self-defeating reformist, aka a crypto-conservative.

maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 10:08 pm
@Olivier5,
You’ve proved nothing except your ability to misquote, misrepresent, and now insult.

I’ve been as honest as I can be in these discussions with you.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 10:18 pm
@maporsche,
I have not misquoted or insulted you, that's another lie of yours.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 10:25 pm
@Olivier5,
You haven’t edited quotes of mine next to questions of yours to make them appear favorable to whatever argument you think we are having???

You haven’t recently done this?

You haven’t just 1-2 post ago misrepresented a statement I made about bold moves in some circumstances being preferable to smaller steps?

You haven’t done this either?


I’m going to sleep soon. Please just stop.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 11:04 pm
@maporsche,
I correctly quoted the core of your answer ("Yes.").

Sleep tight...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 05:49 am
https://eganhistory.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/quote-never-doubt-that-a-small-group-of-thoughtful-committed-citizens-can-change-the-world-indeed-it-s-margaret-mead-125008.jpg
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 11:43 am
What happens when a baby-step fetishist meets with real babies wanting real change.

Quote:
Dianne Feinstein Kept It a Little Too Real With These Children 
Emily Alford, Saturday 3:30pm

The Green New Deal is probably going to be the subject of much debate in the coming months, though why California Senator Dianne Feinstein chose to challenge its flaws to a group of pleading schoolchildren is anyone’s guess.

On February 22, a group of wide-eyed kids clutching a handwritten letter met with Feinstein in order to beg her vote for the Green New Deal. Instead of smiling and saying “We’ll see” like most adults know to do when the answer is actually no, Feinstein chose to drop some hard truths on them there children.

“Some scientists have said we have 12 years to turn this around,” says the child clutching the letter.

“Well it’s not going to get turned around in 10 years,” Feinstein replies.

Another girl reminds Feinstein that her job as an elected official is to listen to voters. Feinstein asks how old she is, to which the girl responds that she’s 16.

“Well, you didn’t vote for me,” the senator tells her.

The students were meeting with Feinstein in conjunction with the Sunrise Movement, which has also held protests and rallies in effort to garner Democratic support for the Green New Deal. The Sunrise Movement posted an edited version of the meeting to Twitter, which quickly went viral. An unedited version of the video, which is less tense, exists on their Facebook page.

The Green New Deal, introduced by Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Ed Markey, is an ambitious, non-binding 10-year plan focused on eliminating greenhouse gas emissions, protecting those disproportionately effected by climate change, and also guaranteeing healthcare and livable wages for all. It’s drawn criticism from both the left and the right for being too pie-in-the-sky, too expensive, and too divisive, all points Feinstein argues with the wide-eyed kinder whose main concern seems to be avoiding a future in which they’re forced to fight to the death for potable water:

“That resolution will not pass the Senate. And you can take that back to whoever sent you here,” Senator Feinstein told them. “I’ve been in the Senate for a quarter of a century, and I know what can pass, and I know what can’t pass.”

Probably true, and besides, those kids are going to need to toughen up if they want to survive the Thunderdome.

However, five of Feinstein’s colleagues—Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, and Elizabeth Warren, all candidates for the presidency—have expressed support for the Green New Deal.

As for Feinstein, she claims to have a better piece of legislation, which she offered to provide the children for review. But the six-term senator was clear, she won’t be threatened by an adorable little girl reminding her that “the government is supposed to be for the people and by the people.”

“I’ve been doing this for 30 years,” she informed the child, “I know what I’m doing. You come in here, and you say it has to be my way or the highway. I don’t respond to that.”

She does, however, respond to outrage over viral videos depicting her engaged in “spirited discussion” with minors. On Friday night, the senator tweeted a statement that read, in part, “Unfortunately, it was a brief meeting, but I want to the children to know they were heard loud and clear. I have been and remain committed to doing everything I can to enact real, meaningful climate change legislation.”

https://theslot.jezebel.com/dianne-feinstein-kept-it-a-little-too-real-with-these-c-1832845765
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 01:01 pm
@Olivier5,
Feinstein wrote:

“That resolution will not pass the Senate. And you can take that back to whoever sent you here,” Senator Feinstein told them.


Is Feinstein right here, or wrong?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 02:59 pm
@Olivier5,
Which is what cj and ollie do quite often. Give their opinion of an answer rather than a direct quote. In other words they lie in order to make THEIR point.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:00 pm
@maporsche,
Right
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:26 pm
@RABEL222,
Oh stop lying. I gave the essence of his answer, without distorting it.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:27 pm
@maporsche,
So in front of kids who are rightly concerned about their future, all she can offer is business as usual?
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:30 pm
@Olivier5,
I can think of 53 Republican Senators who should have had these kids visit them.

It doesn't matter how Feinstein votes; all 53 Republicans are going to vote no.

And Feinstein is not wrong that this can't be done is 10-12 years. First off, you have to vote out 13 Republican Senators...doing that along will take 2-6 years if it ever happens.
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:31 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

So in front of kids who are rightly concerned about their future, all she can offer is business as usual?


I think she offered the truth. Which is a great deal more than many others are doing or have done.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:47 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Feinstein wrote:
“That resolution will not pass the Senate. And you can take that back to whoever sent you here,” Senator Feinstein told them.

Is Feinstein right here, or wrong?

Good question. I suspect she is right. A few more adults in the room there.
 

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