maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 02:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Trying to twist the story is only a cheap shot at the reality of the situation in this country called bigotry. It's obvious to most people without twisting the story.


This is exactly my point. You are twisting the story to match your ideological narrative. I don't know if you even bothered to hear both sides of the story before you made your judgement... did you?

You see a picture of a kid in a MAGA hat, and you assume that he is the aggressor. You see a Native American elder and you assume that he is the victim. Am I wrong about this? This is the definition of "prejudice".

Did you look at what happens to the story when you see the entire video? CNN is running the full story now, you might want to check it. If people were shouting insults at these kids based on their religion... would you insist on them being fired/expelled whatever? If this kid were wearing a pink hat and shouting for women's rights instead of a Red MAGA hat, would you be calling for his head on a pike?

You want this kid punished because of his religion/ideological beliefs. If a kid who agreed with you did the same thing, you would feel completely different about it.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 02:54 pm
Quote:
The video opens with a tense encounter involving the men and a woman who challenges their beliefs and calls for peace. "Peace to what land?" one of the men responds. "How you gonna have peace to this land ... when you got this madman in the White House?" The camera pans past the group, catching the first glimpse of the teenagers, at least one wearing a red Make America Great Again hat.

"Then you got those pompous bastards over there wearing Make America Great Again hats," one voice says. "Why you not angry at them?"


Quote:
Drumming becomes audible in the video and rallygoers appear in the background, clasping hands to form a circle. After the drumming subsides, the men turn their focus to the indigenous community. "Y'all taking about peace, peace, peace -- there ain't gonna be no peace," the lead speaker shouts.

"When has America been great for our people? When has the America ever been great for the North American Indians?" the main speaker shouts. "America ain't never been great. It only been great for you damn peckerwoods."

Then, the camera turns to students watching a few feet away. The man calls them out for wearing MAGA hats to a rally for indigenous communities. He rails against a teen he perceives to be a black student for associating with his "oppressor." He also calls out Indigenous Peoples March attendees for associating with white people.


Quote:
As the crowd of students grows, some of the men criticize their "racist" MAGA hats. They call them "crackers" and "incest children." The video captures some students walking away. Almost an hour into the video, the students begin amassing in large numbers on the steps behind the men. As the men continue shouting, the video captures students chanting back.


Quote:
The men accuse them of reaping the benefits of slave labor. The men repeatedly use the n-word to refer to the black teens in the group, prompting cries from group. The men ask the students if the water they're drinking "tastes like incest" and call the students "young Klansmen." The teens listen for a few minutes longer, accusing the men of being racist and booing when the main speaker uses the word "faggots" when talking about equal rights.

Then, the students get a signal from off camera to leave. They cheer and wave, chanting "let's go home" as they run off.

The video continues for another 20 minutes as the men turn their focus to a prayer circle that formed while they were talking to the students. The lead speaker shouts denunciations of the Catholic church, calling its members "child molesters" and quotes scripture.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:00 pm
@maxdancona,
Let's keep score here...

The people from the liberal team ....

- Use the N-word to refer to African American Catholic kids at the pro-life march.
- Refer to the Catholic kids as "faggots".
- Call the Catholic kids "incest children".
- Make jokes about sexual abuse of children.

These kids respond by.
- Chanting
- Many walking away.
- One kid "locking eyes" with a Native American elder who approached him.

It is ridiculous that the only head on a pike is the 16 year old who "locked eyes" with a Native American.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is so much ****. You got suckered in by the MSM you fool.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
You are lying.

The video shows a kid smiling or smirking (lynch him!) in the face of an Indian who chose to get in his face.

Try and be honest

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:12 pm
@Lash,
Really?

You fell for it too?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:13 pm
@maxdancona,
Thank you
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wmwcjr
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:16 pm
@maxdancona,
Maxdancona, you're right! You deserve to be commended for your fair-mindedness and your presentation of the truth. An entire video is much to be preferred to a single shot (which may not tell the whole story).
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:25 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
If you have a different perspective, share it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 03:43 pm
@Lash,
Read the fu*king news!
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 04:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
The ******* news I read led to my opinion. What ******* news do you read?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 04:55 pm
@Lash,
The video has been busted. It was fake news edited to give a misleading account -- kind of like when Wikileaks edited that video to make it appear that American helicopters were intentionally firing on civilians in Iraq.

The Catholic students were being harassed by a bunch of black thugs. The Native American guy thought that violence was imminent and walked into the middle of the group singing some kind of prayer.

No Catholic student approached or harassed the Native American guy. Rather, the Native American guy approached the Catholic students to protect them from the black thugs.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 05:51 pm
@Lash,
The latest that shows the kids were the least of the problems in this incident.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 06:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2019/01/19/students-in-maga-hats-mock-native-american-after-rally/ Associated Press
U.S. Politics
Students in ‘MAGA’ Hats Mock Native American After Rally
ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED 19 JANUARY 2019
From the numerous media outlets available today, snopes is considered reliable. https://www.reference.com/technology/snopes-accurate-e7a4aaaba48b66e
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 06:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Snopes = fake news. Try again.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 06:24 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Rather, the Native American guy approached the Catholic students to protect them from the black thugs.
Well according to this, the Native American guy says he was trying to protect the black thugs. I'm not sure why, since they were the aggressors.

Maybe the black thugs were about to receive a much-deserved beating. But in that case he should have let them receive their chastisement.

Regardless, the Catholic students did not do anything wrong. They were harassed by a bunch of black thugs, and then a Native American guy walked up to them and started chanting.

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Lash
 
  2  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 08:12 pm
Finn, you’ve given no evidence that anything happened differently than what appears to have happened and what has been reported.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 08:33 pm
@Lash,
Students in ‘MAGA’ Hats Mock Native American After Rally. This is all we need to know to arrive at a conclusion.
maxdancona
 
  0  
Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 08:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Students in ‘MAGA’ Hats Mock Native American After Rally. This is all we need to know to arrive at a conclusion.


This is exactly the problem. You read a headline and you say "this is all we need to know". It's bullshit. It's not all you need to know.

So here we are in the US... Two ideological extremes each with their own set of headlines and neither stopping to think beyond their own prejudices.

Both ideological sides are being narrow minded and foolish. In this case thousands of angry liberals calling for vengeance on a high school kid is excessive given that the unedited video (i.e. the evidence) supports his side of the story.
Lash
 
  3  
Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 02:47 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The ******* news: https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FBgqn7L5cHD

 

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