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Minuteman Leader murders 9 year old girl.

 
 
Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 10:50 am
Shawna Forde: Anti-Immigrant leader, American Patriot, murderer.

http://external.kvoa.com/misc/shawna.jpg

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According to authorities, Bush, Forde, and Gaxiola broke into the home of the Flores family just after midnight on May 30th. At the time, the mother, father and daughter were home. The invaders reportedly shot the three members of the Flores family, killing the father, Raul, and the daughter, Brisenia. The invaders then left the scene.


http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=10526106

With the Holocaust museum shooting, and the murder of Dr. Tiller, when are we going to take the threat of right-wing extremism seriously?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:03 am
The problem here is, many fanatics may or may not be dangerous, and there are not enough means to determine who will snap and who will not. What do you propose?
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:06 am
@ebrown p,
A real piece of work.

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"If you look at her history closely, and you know what we know, she is at best a pyschopath," says Sheriff Dupnik referring to Forde during a press conference Friday.


The MAD people don't seem to be the sharpest chisels in the tool shed, (no surprise there) on the evidence of their web site, where they bleat about upholding the law and say "This is the only statement that Minuteman American Defense wish's [sic] to submit to media at this time."

Also, a "message from Shawna Forde" mentions that one MAD objective is to gather video footage of "humane trafficking".

A replacement "director" hides behind the pseudonym of "Gunny". According to the website, "He served 6 tours over seas, where he has several medals".

These people are stupid and contemptible scum. They are also dangerous.





ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:08 am
From the Minuteman website:

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Message From Shawna Forde, Executive Director, MAD

I would like to let everyone know that we are in full operation we have people coming from Florida and other parts of the country to assist in gathering exclusive footage of drug cartel drug smuggling and humane[sic] trafficking. Our point is to let the world know that we as American citizens have a choice and a responsibility to those who have stained the ground red for our freedoms.

Even if the government refuses to consider the border a issue we as minutemen will not stand by while American jobs are lost and America becomes the future of corruption and a playground for those who trespass.

We will expose and report what we know and find, we will recruit the serious and train the revolutionist, time for words have passed the time for bravery and conviction are now. I shall lead you to challenge yourself and your American heart into the future of what was once a great country and will be again but at what price?

The patriot is a brave yet scarce man hated and scorned by most. but when the cause succeeds the timid shall join for then there is no price to being a patriot.


This is scary stuff.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:14 am
@contrex,
[update]

"Gunny" is alleged to be Jason Eugene Bush, but he was arrested in connection with the double murder.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:15 am
Beside being barely literate, it is incredibly stupid in its premises. Where are those lines of Americans anxious to find employment doing stoop labor in the fields? Jobs that illegal immigrants do get that Americans might do are the result of the greed and cupidity of American businessmen. If these lunatics are going to shoot people, they need to start cruising the exclusive suburbs of the American southwest, because that's where the true problem people live. The government fails to close the border and enforce regulation because men with money who make significant contributions to political campaigns like things just the way they are.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:17 am
Sadly, I have to echo edgar -- what do you propose?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:27 am
I propose the rigorous enforcement of existing laws, including and with particular regard to punishing those found to be illegally employing people who have crossed the border. The government keeps the border patrol and the immigration and naturalization services on a short leash because the boys with cash for candidates don't want these laws enforced. The Reagan era Immigration Control and Reform Act has reasonable provisions which could be effective, if the border patrol and INS were properly funded, and a sincere effort were made to enforce the Act.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:34 am
@Setanta,
I completely agree with the desirability -- nay, the necessity -- of doing all that, Set. But I seriously doubt it would have any impact on the bottom-feeding crowd who consider themselves patriot minutemen.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:50 am
I hope they rot in jail or, being Texas, get the death penalty if/when found guilty.

That being said...

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Forde's organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says, "We are not charging any of the minutemen groups with anything. But one of these individuals was involved with one of those groups."


Don't damn the groups for an individual's behavior.
High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:52 am
@Setanta,
That's where you lost Mr Brown-Munoz, in supporting enforcement of applicable law - he believes in it except as it applies to Mexicans. Arizona housing tragedies involving illegals abound, btw, though some would have you believe that "right wing extremism" is to blame:
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AQ215B_DROPH_NS_20090609184447.gif
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124441724453292457.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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In all, a thousand houses in the Phoenix area are being used as drop houses at any given time, many never discovered, police say.




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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 11:59 am
bah, stupid short time editting. Arizona, not Tex.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:00 pm
@ebrown p,
The title here is wrong from start to finish - there was NO "Minuteman Leader" involved, there's been NO indictment for "murder" (never mind a conviction, without which you CANNOT legally use the term "murder") and the 9-year old girl was there because her parents took her there - no responsibility falls on those parents, eh? Don't bother with either the law or the truth, just rant on - you accomplish more in discrediting your pet cause than anyone else ever could.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:12 pm
"Minute" as in very tiny, perhaps.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:27 pm
@McGentrix,
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Don't damn the groups for an individual's behavior.


Oh, the irony!
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:29 pm
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Investigators believe Forde masterminded the home invasion robbery, which Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described as "evil" and "heinous."

"It was a planned home invasion where the plan was to kill all the people inside this trailer so there would be no witnesses," he said. "This is perhaps the most despicable crime that any of us in this organization has ever been associated with."

Moments after her arrest, Forde turned to news cameras and denied involvement in the deadly robbery with the words "No, I didn't."

But the sheriff described the woman as a dangerous, unstable person.

"If you look at her history closely and you know what we know, she's, at best, a psychopath," Dupnik said

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/407189_activist13.html

Having spent 10 minutes googling this chick, I advise those on the Right to distance themselves from this crazy broad, as the leaders of the minutemen have done.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:47 pm
@High Seas,
Shawna Forde, has been arrested in Pima County, Arizona for the murder of Raul Flores, 29, and his 9-year-old daughter, Brisenia, and injuring the mother of the family.

High Seas wrote:
you accomplish more in discrediting your pet cause than anyone else ever could.


No, High Seas, "blunt chisel", it's you who are doing that.

High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:48 pm
@hawkeye10,

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The child's mother traded gunfire with the attackers.

> is the latest, and not what's on the original link posted by Brown-Munoz, and, furthermore, according to the sheriff:
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Dupnik says, "The husband who was murdered has a history in being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location, as well as the possiblity of drugs."


There was a shootout, the girl got killed, the parents were heavily armed illegal aliens involved in the drug trade seem to be the established facts in the indictment (for burglary and murder, against 3 people) so far, and they will have to be proved or disproved at trial. Staying well away from ALL those unsavory characters and not jumping to conclusions sounds like an even better idea, Hawkeye......
High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:49 pm
@contrex,
You know more about the facts than the sheriff of Pima County, Contrex? Perhaps you would help him with his investigation, then. As to the inaccuracies in the original title of this thread, I've analyzed them on this very page. If interested, read the analysis - with one update, that an indictment has now been brought, but that under our system "accused" isn't identical to "convicted".
ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:54 pm
@High Seas,
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According to authorities, Bush, Forde, and Gaxiola broke into the home of the Flores family just after midnight on May 30th. At the time, the mother, father and daughter were home. The invaders reportedly shot the three members of the Flores family, killing the father, Raul, and the daughter, Brisenia. The invaders then left the scene.


The Minuteman extremists invaded the home of this family in the middle of the night.

Come on.
 

 
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