maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 06:45 am
@snood,
I concur
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:00 am
I think we'll see whoever it is running against an incumbent President Pence. I think the Dems should plan accordingly.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 11:27 am
@JPB,
I think Dems should choose their best available candidate irrespective of who the opponent is.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 04:53 pm
@snood,
That would be a novel idea for them.
Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:03 pm
Florida Dem Andrew Gillum
meets with Obama amid 2020 speculation



Published December 5, 2018
Quote:
(CNN) -Andrew Gillum met with former President Barack Obama in Washington on Tuesday, two sources familiar with the matter tell CNN, amid ongoing speculation that the former Democratic nominee for Florida governor might be considering a potential 2020 presidential bid.

It is unclear what was discussed at the meeting between Obama and Gillum, who has been talked about as a possible 2020 presidential contender and hasn't ruled out a bid.

A spokesperson for Obama declined to comment. The former president supported Gillum in his failed bid to become Florida's first African-American governor.

Gillum was in Washington to speak at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. There, he punted on the question of running for president in 2020, saying, "I plan on being married to my wife. That is all I am planning."

Gillum added, "What I am committed to doing between now and 2020 is doing everything I can to make the state of Florida available and winnable for the democratic nominee for president."

Although he lost narrowly in last month's election to Ron DeSantis, a pro-Trump Republican and former member of Congress, Gillum became a national Democratic celebrity in the process — raising the question of what his next steps will be.

Another Democrat who became a national sensation during the midterms but ultimately fell short, Texas Democrat Beto O'Rourke, is also taking a look at a possible presidential bid. The Washington Post reported that O'Rourke met last month with Obama.

Obama has met in recent months with a lengthy roster of possible 2020 Democratic contenders, including Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker, and his former Vice President, Joe Biden.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/politics/florida-dem-andrew-gillum-meets-with-obama-amid-2020-speculation
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:46 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I think we'll see whoever it is running against an incumbent President Pence. I think the Dems should plan accordingly.


https://hillreporter.com/trumps-team-considers-removing-mike-pence-from-2020-ticket-16797


Quote:
Yesterday, Mueller’s team revealed that Michael Flynn, who briefly served as the president’s national security adviser until he resigned in the wake of the scandal surrounding his communications with the former Russian ambassador to the United States, sat for 19 interviews with the special counsel’s office which gleaned significant insight on the behavior of Trump’s transition team, which Pence headed.

The notoriously thin-skinned Trump, who has often questioned the motives of even his most vocal loyalists, has reportedly also spoken with White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who has advised him that Pence has little political value to offer the administration.




twitter has been jumping all around Pence as the next story for a couple of weeks now
InuYasha3901
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:53 pm
@snood,
Probably not Bernie Sanders, unless he somehow managed to get back all that money... But still, Trump knows there are people out there who have him, and that he might not have a chance against Hillary Clinton.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2018 09:02 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

That would be a novel idea for them.

Well we could use a few novel ideas
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 05:34 am
@ehBeth,
My preferred narrative is that we see Pence resign a la Spiro Agnew followed by Trump resigning a la Nixon and we have a caretaker president for a few months. Ford was elected to a full term. I can't think of anyone right now who could take the VP slot that Trump would consider and turn it into a Presidential win, but there may be someone.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 05:49 am
I would like to add Michael Avenatti to the list of those I'm glad are NOT running in 2020.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 12:36 pm
@JPB,
Isn't Pelosi next in line? or is that just if #45 and Pence die in the same moment?
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 12:53 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Isn't Pelosi next in line? or is that just if #45 and Pence die in the same moment?


They'd have to die close enough together that another VP would not have been sworn in. Could be at the same time. Could be within a period of time in between VP selection.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 03:21 pm
'''Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!"
-Wm. Shakespeare
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 03:30 pm
Dream team. Beto O'Rourke, President and Kamala Harris as VP.

She's got the guts and he still has great ideals - perfect combo!
snood
 
  1  
Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 04:08 pm
@CalamityJane,
Ooh, CJ. That gave me a warm fuzzy.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 05:30 pm
@maporsche,
aka time to take up prayer
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 09:20 pm
Here is a potential dream team:

Quote:
Andrew Gillum with running mate Beto O'Rourke Very Happy

or

Beto O'Rourke with running mate Andrew Gillum Very Happy


Either of these two combinations would make a terrific dream team
Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 09:35 pm
Democratic stars Beto O'Rourke and Andrew Gillum both recently met with Obama, stoking speculation about 2020 bids.


Published December 6, 2018
Quote:
Beto O'Rourke of Texas and Andrew Gillum of Florida, both rising Democratic stars and potential 2020 candidates, recently met with former President Barack Obama in his Washington offices.

Obama endorsed Gillum during his gubernatorial bid this year and praised O'Rourke last month, saying the former senate candidate reminds him of himself.

Both O'Rourke and Gillum, who ran strong, but unsuccessful races for Senate and governor, have declined to say whether they'll run for president in 2020.

Beto O'Rourke of Texas and Andrew Gillum of Florida, both rising stars in the Democratic Party from purple and red states, met with former President Barack Obama in his Washington offices in recent days, stoking speculation that the two will launch 2020 presidential bids.

The three-term El Paso congressman — who nearly unseated GOP Sen. Ted Cruz last month — met with Obama on Nov. 16, the Washington Post reported, while the Florida mayor who narrowly lost his state's gubernatorial race met with the former president on Tuesday, according to multiple news outlets.

O'Rourke, 46, was by far the best-funded and most competitive Democrat to run statewide in Texas in years, and he would have been the first elected statewide in nearly a quarter of a century. His campaign, which attracted huge national attention and raised more money than any other senate bid in US history, sparked widespread hope among Democrats that he'll channel his popularity into a presidential ticket.

Obama publicly praised O'Rourke last month, telling his former top adviser David Axelrod that the Texas politician reminded him of himself and inspired voters because he's authentic in his convictions.

"What I liked most about his race was that it didn't feel constantly poll-tested," Obama said during a podcast discussion with Axelrod. "It felt as if he based his statements and his positions on what he believed. And that, you'd like to think, is normally how things work. Sadly it's not."

O'Rourke, who said last week that he's considering a 2020 bid despite repeatedly saying otherwise on the campaign trail, reportedly declined Obama's offers to record robo-calls and stump with O'Rourke and decided against using a video Obama recorded endorsing him during the senate campaign.

The congressman has expressed skepticism about the effectiveness of endorsements from politicians outside of his home state and rarely utilized surrogates on the campaign trail, but he did receive a series of high-profile endorsements from celebrities, including Beyonce, LeBron James, and Ellen DeGeneres.

Gillum, 39, also attracted national attention when he stunned the state by beating out an array of wealthy primary opponents and waged an aggressive and deeply progressive campaign for governor against the Trump-endorsed Rep. Ron DeSantis.

It's unclear what Gillum and the former president discussed in DC this week, and Gillum has declined to elaborate on his thoughts about a presidential run.

"I plan on being married to my wife. That is all I am planning," Gillum said in response to questions about 2020 during an event at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights in Washington this week. "What I am committed to doing between now and 2020 is doing everything I can to make the state of Florida available and winnable for the democratic nominee for president."

Obama has also reportedly met with other potential 2020 candidates, including Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont and former New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu.

https://www.businessinsider.com/democratic-stars-beto-orourke-and-andrew-gillum-both-met-with-obama-2020-2018-12
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Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2018 10:18 pm
Is Joe Biden Running for President?
He Can't Decide.



Published December 6, 2018
Quote:
Watery eyes, clenched chins, insistent grips of his arm: They don’t just think Joe Biden should run for president, or just want him to. They tell him he has to.

It’s hard for him to tell them no. It’s hard for him to tell himself no.

Already, the timeline Biden had set appears to be shifting. He said he would decide by the beginning of 2019, but now people around him note that he, like everyone else, had been expecting the race to be moving more by now, so he may take a little more time into the year to see how the field shapes up.

But the tenor of conversations with donors and supporters has intensified in recent weeks. As much as he wants to defer a decision to the Biden clan’s famous group holiday vacation, they are telling him and his small group of aides that things need to get going.

“If you’re going to run for president, you’ve got to start having meetings,” one supportive donor said.

In the meantime, Biden has kept up a busy travel schedule—book-promotion events, a speech at the University of Nevada law-school gala, a roundtable at Columbia Law School on violence against women, a keynote at the Bread for the World gala.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/joe-biden-will-decide-soon-running-president/577447/
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2018 06:55 am
The problem with Beto—and shrill, hyperbolic ‘Centrists’.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/beto-o-rourke-2020-presidential-run-anger.html

Lots:

The First Epic Online Meltdown of the 2020 Democratic Primary Has Begun, and It’s About Beto O’Rourke
By BEN MATHIS-LILLEY
DEC 06, 20185:24 PM


If you were hungry for some overwrought, ideologically driven accusations involving elections 13 months away, a li’l old restaurant called The Internet was
a good place to sate your appetite Thursday!

It all started with a piece by democratic-socialism-friendly Washington Post columnist Elizabeth Bruenig about Beto O’Rourke, the former Texas congressman who came close to a long-shot Senate upset over Ted Cruz and whom some doofuses have pegged as a worthy 2020 Democratic presidential nominee. Bruenig is skeptical, writing that “I think the times both call for and allow for a left-populist candidate with uncompromising progressive principles. I don’t see that in O’Rourke.” She criticizes O’Rourke’s hesitance to endorse Medicare for all or a “Green New Deal,” concluding that she’d prefer a nominee “with sincere, well-attested antipathy toward Wall Street, oil and gas, welfare reform and war, who is willing to fight hard to win Medicare-for-all and drastically reverse our current course on climate change.

It’s a pretty gentle critique, prefaced by praise for O’Rourke and his 2018 campaign staffers...
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