goodfielder wrote:I don't think anyone killed her but was there an answer to "why morphine?" Just interested.
Morphine has other benefits other than just a pain killer. I've heard that they can give it to a dying patient to keep the lungs from filling up with fluid.
I didn't know that roverroad - thank you. I'm thinking of course why stop her lungs from filling with fluid if she was insensate...but that's a point, there could have been other therapeutic reasons.
goodfielder wrote:I didn't know that roverroad - thank you. I'm thinking of course why stop her lungs from filling with fluid if she was insensate...but that's a point, there could have been other therapeutic reasons.
The court order was only to remove the feeding tube. Not to stop administering drugs.
Morphine is a pain killer. In this case, it was administered to ease the pain of the deluded souls who think Terri, with her zero brain electrical activity, has actually experienced anything at all since 1990.
Debra_Law wrote:Morphine: Acts in central nervous system (
brain and spinal cord) to block pain messages. Activates pain-modulating systems in the brain that project to the spinal cord.
Source:
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/pain.html
If Terri's brain is so damaged that it cannot process the pain messages . . . why the need to medicate her with morphine?
Since Terri was not capable of using her bedside call light to order morphine the medical attendants decided to give her morphine just in case she was in pain, acting in compassion. Why do you embrace the dark side?
roverroad wrote:goodfielder wrote:I didn't know that roverroad - thank you. I'm thinking of course why stop her lungs from filling with fluid if she was insensate...but that's a point, there could have been other therapeutic reasons.
The court order was only to remove the feeding tube. Not to stop administering drugs.
Just to clarify. I was asking for information, not trying to make a snide point, I'd hate that to be misinterpreted. I don't mind a full on debate but so many times it seems that snide comments and half-arsed views masquerade as proof. Anyway thanks for the info, it clarifies it for me.
Well, the autopsy was performed weeks ago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356531/
Anybody hear any news?
What about all these abuse accusations by Terri's parents? The Schindlers were even demanding the right to have their own doctor present at the autopsy! Anybody else ever hear of such a thing?
The autopsy is done, the tissues and records have been saved and can be examined by others at any time.
For all the noise that was made, surely the Schindlers and the people behind them are not going to just go away.
kelticwizard wrote:Well, the autopsy was performed weeks ago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356531/
Anybody hear any news?
What about all these abuse accusations by Terri's parents? The Schindlers were even demanding the right to have their own doctor present at the autopsy! Anybody else ever hear of such a thing?
The autopsy is done, the tissues and records have been saved and can be examined by others at any time.
For all the noise that was made, surely the Schindlers and the people behind them are not going to just go away.
Not til November 2006 ....... :wink:
Re: Schiavo Autopsy
Debra_Law wrote:Husband seeks autopsy on Terri Schiavo
Quote:PINELLAS PARK, Florida (CNN) -- Terri Schiavo's husband has asked that an autopsy be performed on his wife after she dies so that a full report can be done on the extent of her brain damage, an attorney for Michael Schiavo said Monday. . . .
Michael Schiavo did NOT seek an autopsy -- it was required by law because he planned to have her body cremated.
Schiavo Autopsy Not Husband's Choice, Required by Law
Quote:The alleged agreement in which Michael Schiavo requested that an autopsy be performed on Terri Schiavo's body "to have the public know the full and massive extent of the damage to Mrs. Schiavo's brain," is meaningless. Because Schiavo plans to have his wife's body cremated, Florida law mandates that an autopsy be performed.
Numerous online, broadcast and print news reports in recent days have highlighted Michael Schiavo's "choice" -- as explained by his attorney, nationally recognized "right-to-die" author and activist George Felos -- to have an autopsy performed.
"We didn't feel it was appropriate to talk about an autopsy prior to Mrs. Schiavo's death," Felos said at a March 28 press conference. "But, again, because claims have been made by ... opponents of carrying out her wishes that there was some motive behind the cremation of Mrs. Schiavo, we felt it was necessary to make that announcement."
But the Pinellas County Medical Examiner's office has disputed Felos' portrayal of the autopsy as Michael Schiavo's choice.
"The medical examiner's investigation into the cause of death is mandated by Florida law," said William Pellan, forensic services director. "And, for no other reason, an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause of death and family requests are immaterial in that determination."
Felos also claimed that Michael Schiavo was requesting the autopsy because, "He believes it's important to have the public know the full and massive extent of the damage to Mrs. Schiavo's brain that occurred through the cardiac arrest in 1990."
Pellan disputed that claim, as well.
"Pursuant to Florida law, the autopsy report will be public record," Pellan said. . . .
Dr. Michael Baden, a forensic pathologist who formerly directed the New York City and New York State crime labs, said the autopsy will not prove whether or not Terri was in a Persistent Vegetative State.
"They'll be looking for a number of things, one of which is to identify more clearly what brain damage Terri Schiavo has suffered. [They'll want to] to see whether it was due to a cardiac arrest suffered 15 years ago as was determined in the malpractice litigation, or whether there was any evidence of a brain trauma," Baden told Fox News Channel. "They'll be able to tell that from the brain examination, even 15 years later."
I said on another thread somewhere that I believed Debra is among a group of people who have decided there was wrongdoing on the part of Michael Schiavo and everything that happened would be moulded and presented by her like Silly Putty to fit that scenario.
I believe, with no malice or insult intended, that Debra has aptly shown that to be the case.
What the hell, if it works fo George Bush it can work for everyone.
The right wing is making much of the fact that since Florida law requires an autopsy prior to cremation, Michael's request for an autopsy is meaningless.
However, I am still waiting for all the right wingers to explain their accusations that Michael wanted to cremate the body to cover up the evidence forever. If a cremation carries with it a mandatory autopsy, then by choosing cremation Michael was consciously choosing an autopsy-supposedly the opposite of what he would want, if he killed her.
Any right wing "Michael is a murderer" types care to come forward and explain why he would choose a method which carries with it a mandatory autopsy if he was a murderer?
Incidentally, once the body is buried, it takes a great deal to get a court to exhume the body. It would take a discovery of huge magnitude to get a court to dig up Terri and investigate if Michael had murdered her. So by choosing autopsy, Michael chose the path where the body is certain to be examined, as opposed to the path, (burial), where it almost certainly would not be examined.
It's like pushing a button for the right wing. Decide something different from what they want, and they character assassinate you. Simple as that.
according to a NY Post article, hospital staff adminstered morphine in order to ease convulsions. also, contrary to the CNN report quoted by D_L, the Post quotes Dr. Michael Baden thus:
i can't vouchsafe the Post's credibility, but I doubt they would fabricate an attributed quote. the entire article can be viewed at this link:
Terri Hubby's Autopsy Plan
Was her frontal lobe atrophied? I know that the separations in the skull were not caused by "mistreatment".
Im not surprised at how the conservatives went out and started smear campaigns on the husband. Thats what they do.
farmerman wrote:Was her frontal lobe atrophied? I know that the separations in the skull were not caused by "mistreatment".
Im not surprised at how the conservatives went out and started smear campaigns on the husband. Thats what they do.
haven't heard anything yet about the determination as to whether or not the brain was liquefied. when we do, the matter will be put to rest, maybe.
in fairness to conservatives, the inlaws originally harbored suspicion of the husband, but then conservatives took & ran with it.
Yes, but when did the parents first claim to harbor suspicions about Michael? A couple of years after the accident when he diverged from their opinion of what to do with Terri, that's when.
Before that, for a couple of years after the accident, they appeared to be just fine with each other.
I'm glad he's doing a thorough job.
Interested in the outcome.