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regionalism in american, good or bad?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 09:21 pm
timberlandko; i was really agast mostly just because i could not fathom why they came and what i had done. they had a bit of interrogation with ID's, checking on their radios searching my truck etc. then i began to complain saying "am i being detained and if so for what reason?" so they left but parked across the street for the rest of the day. i finished my job contract and left Rhode Island headed out for western skies. just another learning experience i guess.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 06:52 am
I sympathize with your New England experiences, Dys, especially that hitch-hiking put-down. Around that time, late 60s, the hippy movement was just starting to spread from the sinful cities like Boston and Providence to the backwoods. The locals of the older generation were absolutely outraged by their sons and grandsons letting their hair grow and wearing peace signs. It was even ruimored that some had started experimenting with marijuana instead of guzzling beer and whisky like their sires. Outraged! And they had no notion of the distinction between beats and hippies. Other than that, many are nice people.
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Diane
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 05:08 pm
Dys, I love regionalism including accents, food and life style. It's a shame that so many of us sound like radio announcers who could be from anywhere. I think regional accents are delightful.

I grew up in Tucson and had relatives in Colorado and Texas, so I only knew the Southwest. My first job was in San Francisco and I fell in love with the Bay area. It was great to see rivers with actual water in them and FOG. I love fog!! On little cat feet.

Like jjorge says, the South is lovely, but I wouldn't want to live there for the same reasons--fundamentalist religion and the pervasive bigotry. Despite this, the people are so friendly and hospitable that it's hard not to fall in love with it.

I drove to Mississippi with a friend who is writing a book about a Civil War general. It is a beautiful state, but it seemed haunted by its past. The poverty is unlike anything I've seen in the rest of US and there seemed to be a kind of distrust of us because my liscense plate had Connecticut on it. Thinking about it, I realized how often I had heard derogotory remarks about the South from people in the North East, many of whom don't hesitate to make these remarks loudly and publicly when they travel. Around Oxford and Jackson, we found an open friendliness and people who went out of their way to help us in our research.

Many of my Colorado relatives are very suspicious of the big Eastern cities. My aunts and uncles look at me as if I have traveled in space and ask about New York City in a disapproving tone. They were stunned when I said that I would love to live in NYC. I'm sure they think my soul is lost, but they still love me.

Regionalism is diluted now because of the mobility of US citizens and job requirements. In a way, this is a good thing because the more inbred and isolated areas are exposed to people of different regions and ethnic groups.

I seem to have a sudden urge for hush puppies and collard greens.

What I find much more worrisome is nationalism. The possiblity of misunderstanding in that case can lead to war--just watch the news. Sigh. That's why John Lennon's song, Imagine, is one of my favorites.
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jjorge
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 07:57 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
dyslexia -- Rhode Island isn't really a state. It's not much bigger than LA. It's one large city


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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 10:07 pm
Mea culpa, jjorge,mea maxima culpa.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 10:12 pm
New England is really atypical of the whole USA. It's nothing like NYCIty, Chicago or LA.

THANK GOD FOR THAT!

I love big cities and I really hate the snobish yankee attitude, so common in the New England area. Too much frost bite up here! Drunk
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 10:36 pm
One of my favorite regional experiences was a drive through Arizona with my former husband who was raised in Greece and Paris, weird though he was almost the only native Californian I had ever met even though I lived there for some time.

We were driving into Tucson, I was driving actually as he did not know how, Europe, you know he never had to. Any way I heard this sort of croaking sound and when I looked over at him he was speechless and pointing to a guy on a motorcycle with a side arm and a rifle strapped over his shoulder. Poor baby had only seen people carrying guns in movies.

The funny thing is that here in the Southwest it is OK to carrying a weapon openly, you have to have a license to conceal. However, in the DFW metroplex there are so many places with a posted: No concealed weapons allowed. The penalty for going into one of these places with a concealed weapon license or not is big time jail penalty.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 10:48 pm
joanne that very well could have been me Wink i would have been riding an english motorcycle, either my Norton or BSA.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 11:04 pm
Bring on the dewy women!!
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 11:12 pm
You are kidding a Norton or BSA. Do you still have them they are worth mucho bucks. I am sure you know that.

Another one of my favorite regional stories:

At my going away party in Washington, D.C., everyone kept asking me why Texas and wouldn't I miss the seasons - to which I replied. You mean that one nice day in the fall and the one nice day in the spring.

No one even got it. Then from out of the blue this stranger walked up, saying he could not help but hear the conversation and he had heard me say I was born in Colorado and I was moving to Texas. He said he was born and raised in Minnesota and could not understand why everyone in Tejas thought the state was so great and did I feel special because I was born in Colorado? Pausing to think for a New York minute I said yes, I thought being born in Colorado made me special.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 06:15 am
Bring on NYCity. It's the "City that never sleeps".
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 07:42 am
New Haven wrote:
Bring on NYCity. It's the "City that never sleeps".

I believe sleep disorders are characteristic of paranoia, aren't they? Vegas never sleeps either, but I suppose that would probably be Obsessive-Compulsive disorder Laughing Rolling Eyes Laughing



timber
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 10:24 am
Vegas sleeps, when it gets it's turn in the bed. Then it passes out until the next guy comes and rousts it. (Common arrangement among casino employees is to share a one bedroom with one or two other people who work different shifts and sleep at different times.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 10:53 am
pd, Sort of like the navy in subs. Wink c.i.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 12:26 pm
Re regional differences and racist attitudes: I grew up in NY at a time when the Civil Rights movement was in the news, and, of course, it was all happening in the South. So the perception was that racism was a Southern issue, and nothing of the sort was occurring up North.

Well, it took a while before I realized what a crock that was! Of course, the racism in the Northeast was far more subtle, but still quite pervasive. And I remember well the uproar in Boston over school busing. I was there on a visit in the early '70s and was rather shocked at the level of animosity toward the black kids who were going to school in white neighborhoods. That was the last of my naivete on THAT issue...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 12:41 pm
D'art, I did visit the Hermitage in St Petersburg, but didn't realize there was one in Seattle - even after my many visits to that northern City By the Bay. Wink c.i.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 12:47 pm
Well, The Hermitage in Seattle is a bit less impressive than the one in St. Petersburg. This one is rather small physically--more of a state of mind, I guess. That mind being my own!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:01 pm
D'art, It wouldn't be "hermit" by "age" by any chance. LOL c.i.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:53 pm
Hmmm, maybe....
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babsatamelia
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 12:29 am
I like this topic. I think it's good to discuss this because
there are many misconceptions about what "southerners"
are; but there are so many different varieties of these
that it boggles the mind. Florida is far less "southern"
than South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi Georgia, etc.
Florida is very much a melting pot of people from all
over the map. I was born in upstate NY, grew up in PA,
and have lived very briefly in TN, in NJ and in KY. I
don't like NJ...don't know why, I think that people are
rude from NY city and NJ. I moved to Amelia Island 20
years ago.There's great diversity of regionals coexisting
here very well. One of my neighbors from N J is the only
one I know who always complains about how southerners
are - I see here as just a biased woman who grew up in
NJ and still sees it as the better place to live. So, why
does she stay here - I'll never really quite understand.
One of my favorite neighbors is a true blue, pure
Irishman here with a green card (or whatever you call it)
and right next door are a couple from old Georgia, again
very much different than Florida. Different as dark and
light.
Among my own friends here on Amelia Island AND in
Jacksonville are people from just about everywhere else.
Including Cubans/ lots of other ethnic new americans.
The result is that Florida is much less "southern" than one
would anticipate. I DO SO agree with PATIODOG and D'ART.
*I can perfectly see you, DYS - there with long hair, just
a cowboy, but on Amelia Island, with a rifle Surprised Had you
moved in here, we have NO swat team but someone
would no doubt call the police. On the other hand - just
a few miles away - across the bridge and off of the island
in other parts of the same county; you would have fit in
perfectly. Tons of what are termed "rednecks", which is
different than the cowboy thing - but guns are the most
common out there in the "county" rather than here in
the city. There are quite a number of old families that
live in the backwoods areas off the island, who still do
catch fish and kill rabbits & plenty of other weird things,
They are a sub-culture who only fit in with other very
similar peoople. I remember a young woman who
clerked for me, and hearing her talk about her husband's
family was such a schock!! On Thanksgiving, or any
other holidays - they eat just like The Beverly Hillbillys.
*TIMBER - where YOU live sounds so divine. I love my
solitude and I don't like feeling claustrophobic. I want to
purchase a piece of land in TN that borders right on the
national park, about 10 acres of land complete with it own
little river. When I moved south (about 20 years ago)
this was such a small town. There were no huge high rise
condo's on the beach, there were just local owned places
to stay - no big name stuff like the Ritz Carlton, no condos
that block the view of most of the view of the Atlantic Ocean
as you drive down the main ocean road. When I moved
here, the county govt swore that "never" would they let this
outside corruption happen to our island. Sanibel Island on
the west coast of FL and south of us - THEY really DID stick
to their guns on the issue of NO big name resort hotels and
allowed no buildings taller than 2 story AND kept out all the
crass condo builders that think they OWN the beach and
leave practically no access to the beach except at very few
points on the southern end & most all of the north beach-
which has no houses on the beach side since they were all
wiped out long ago by a hurricane, which left nowhere for
any building except on the "backside" of the beach road.
I TOTALLY agree with you, with JJORGE about Rhode Island !
You guys are being unfair about RI, sure it's small - but that
doesn't mean anything. And just like D'ART - because I
lived in a rather wealthy suburb of Pittsburgh, PA - I never
ever saw one single black person until I got to about 8th
grade and high school. I didn't even know they existed
except for stuff I may have seen in the news. There was
ZERO bussing of students in our community. Being not
a part of Pittsburgh - we were never forced to do any kind
of racial integration. Going to college at Pitt was kind of
a shock - because the school is plopped down right in
the middle of an area that borders on several all black
communities. Surprised I very quickly noted the bias & racism
of many classmates at Pitt, but I never had any racism
of my own, until one day when one of my fellow female
schoolmates was attacked by a group of black boys while
walking up that steep hill to the main parking lot above
many of the Pitt buildings. One thing that ALWAYS gets
me, and causes such a sense of the "familiar" is when I
visit the suburban area outside of Pittsburgh where I grew
up - everyone looks familiar, they look like "my own tribe"
who I've been away from so long. Florida is SO different.
Instead of the Mierzejewski's, the Pulansky's, down here
we have the Williams, Stevens, Stephens and the people
up north even LOOK like my people, whereas here in FL
nobody looks like back home, talks like home etc etc.
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