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regionalism in american, good or bad?

 
 
Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 09:52 am
Just a personal observation but i have noticed on several topics lately a variety of opinions expressed leading me to conclude that we often extrapolate and then generalize what america is from a reference made of our own regions (myself included). i often think of the east coast from Boston to Washington D.C. as people who barely recognize that they are not in toto america. this is most likely my own bias however, i do see others every bit as myopic as I.
Despite the renaissance of regionalism, despite the ever-growing sophistication with which we can study and measure regional characteristics, many discussions of region, popular and academic, seem to revolve around an extraordinarily persistent set of assumptions. One assumption is that regional identity is, at heart, an inheritance from the past, a moral and intellectual "heritage" that, if it is to endure, must be preserved from the ravages of modern life. To many people, it appears that there was a time in the past when each region was most fully itself: the Old South, the Old West, pristine New England. Since then, we are told, there has been a relentless adulteration and watering down of these places by the forces of modern life.
Another assumption is that the North, South, and West naturally developed out of variations in the American landscape. Regional differences in people appear to be reflections of regional differences in land and climate. Americans tend to think in nature metaphors--cold, rocky New England creating cold, rocky New Englanders; hot and humid Dixie creating hot-tempered men and dewy women; the big skies and wide-open spaces of the West creating independent men and self-sufficient women. When people warn of the demise of regions they usually couch their warning in images of landscapes lost, of battlefields desecrated, of paradise paved. To lose distinctive features of the land is to lose the depth and salience of region, most of us assume. Any thoughts?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:21 am
Just listening, distinctly interested as someone who's spent his life so far crashing around in NIMBYists back yards.

I do think, as Gary Snyder (and many others, of course) warned decades ago that we lose some of our humanity when we look to hook into the supraculture while totally disengaging from our own neighbors. It's something I'm struggling with right now.

Now, what that's got to do with regionalism per se, I'm not sure. As a Northern California, I was raised to abhor the senselessness of Southern California, of the existence of a city of 15 million (or whatever it is) in the middle of a desert, but...

Yeah, just listening...
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:26 am
I'm not sure, I'm dealing in a World economy daily.
Europe, Asia, Latin America, and of course USA and Canada.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:27 am
This is an excellent topic, dyslexia, thanks for posing the question.

Regionalism is neither good nor bad, IMHO, and I think it's a factor of geography (as you suggest), climate and the people who live there (and have lived there in the past). Race and ethnicity play a role--a big one.

I grew up Back East (as we say out here) but have spent more than half my life in the NW. Felt a real culture shock when I first came here, but now I feel at home. But I'd never pretend to be a native.

I'd hate to see regional differences disappear--accent, food, world view--but these differences also limit our sense of national identity. Then again, I feel more in common with someone who shares my politics who lives, say, in the South, then I do with someone diametrically opposed to me who lives next door.

Well, this is more long-winded than I like to be on the forum, but your question inspired me. Thanks!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:32 am
Interesting.

We're such a mobile country now, I think that has a lot to do with the dilution of regionalism. I mean, how many people are TRULY regional -- born there, raised there, died there, never lived anywhere else? I think of myself as Midwestern, though I lived in that accursed city in the desert for a stretch.

I've thought about this in terms of what kind of a climate I want to live in. I like cold climates, not only because I like snow, but because of the kind of people who seem to be there vs. warm climates. Gross, gross generalization, of course, with exceptions up the wazoo, but generally I've found that sunny, warm-weather areas (L.A., Phoenix, Miami) are more superficial, more instant-gratification, more beautiful people sipping Evian. And cold places are a bit more substantial, more emphasis on work ethic, more normal people without pancake makeup.

(I await my well-deserved flaming...)
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:45 am
crick or creek
soda or pop or coke
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jjorge
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:45 am
Dyslexia
You have had so much to say on this topic and said it so well there is not much I can add.

Having said that, I will, of course add my two cents worth:

For the most part I see regional (and for that matter national) differences as wonderful. That is part of what entices me to travel.

It can be as simple as having breakfast in a Tennessee restaurant
and enjoying the Tennessee-accented friendliness of the waitress
and discovering biscuits and gravy.


Sometimes however, I see the differences, such as they may be, as negative. For example I cannot imagine myself living comfortably in the South surrounded by fundamentalist christianity, radio preachers and good people who nevertheless adore Rush Limbaugh.

I guess overall I cherish the 'differentness' of people and places
and am disappointed when I see it diluted. However that very differentness can be a source of tension, discomfort, and even distrust which should impell us to strive for tolerance and understanding.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 10:54 am
What galls me is provincialism -- a willful, inward-looking ignorance of much of the rest of the world. I generally have no problem with people who are proud of where they live or where they are from, but a lot of people are blind to flaws in their local culture because they've never compared it to another one.

Ferinstance, a lot of the public policy mistakes being made in Washington right now have already been made in California (a pioneering state in public policy mistakes), but most people don't seem to recognize or even be aware of the parallels. In many ways, Western WA is facing the same sort of growth problems now that CA faced in the '70s and '80s -- and making the exact same mistakes, starving itself for revenue at the precise time when infrastructure needs to be built up. Hence, roads are insufficient (and sorely in need of earthquake retrofitting), region-wide public transportation anemic -- blahbity blah blah blah.

It's possible to maintain your identity and improve yourself at the same time.

Cannot make myself concise or coherent on this topic this morn. Need coffee.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 11:20 am
Patiodog, you are so right. Except it's even worse in Wash., because first California did it (in the '80s), THEN Oregon did it (in the '90s) and now Wash. is doing it. With the same results...

What this may speak to is not so much regionalism but just plain selfishness and stupidity. Except, perhaps, it is provincialsm--we know better, we'll get it right even though we're doing the same dumb things they did.
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 11:40 am
provincialsm - Western WA vs Eastern WA ??
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 11:50 am
as you have all pointed out there are lots of examples here in america. i first really became overtly aware of this when last year i spent 2 months in Rhode Island and in carrying into my apartment my saddle rifle (winchester 94) as the neighbors watched this obvious cowboy with hat and boots to match, not to mention the hair down my back, then finding the SWAT team surrounding me. I realized that what was a common ordinary sight in the southwest was an entirely different creature in New England.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 11:59 am
(D'art, you must be one of them California millionaires who came up here, drove up the property prices, and ruined everything!)

(husk, I'm afraid that in the mind of many Western Washingtonians, the Eastern 2/3 (they'd say half) of the state exists only as a source of ridicule. of course, I'm revealing my own regional biases here, too.)


dys - SWAT, huh? Did you give up nice and easy, or did you hold 'em off like Grace Slick?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 12:21 pm
Patiodog: Not exactly a California millionaire, but a young counter-culture type from the East seeking enlightenment (ahem) in little ol' Eugene, OR in 1974. Back then, the motto was "Don't Californicate Oregon"...
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 12:23 pm
Still is, ain't it?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 12:47 pm
Should be; I just wish they'd followed through on it more consistently!
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 08:04 pm
dyslexia -- your experience with the RI SWAT team made me think of the further distinction between urban and rural orientation. Rhode Island isn't really a state. It's not much bigger than LA. It's one large city and people react differently to firearms in an urban envirnment. Had you behaved in an identical manner in a rural setting in New Hampshire or Vermont, nobody would have batted an eyelash, even if your temporary residence was an apartment in a multi-unit complex. I don't think it's so much a distinction between New England and the Southwest as it is between urban and rural. I don't think you'd carry your weapon openly in Dalls either. Certainly not in Houston.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 08:15 pm
merry andrew you could be very right, i have lived all my life in the southwest and was certainly not in my element. regarding Houston or Dallas, the last i knew it was perfectly legal to carry a firearm (loaded) anywhere in the state of Tejas. as it is in New Mexico and Arizona.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 08:23 pm
Not a matter of legality, Dys. It's a matter of public perception. I don't want to make a bet on Dallas, but in Houston you would, at the very least, get strange and curious looks. In my old home town of Rindge, NH (pop. about 4,000) you wouldn't even get a second glance.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 08:25 pm
probably right andrew Wink btw i was hitching i NH in the late 60's when an elderly man stopped in the road, got out of his truck shaking his fist at me and yelled "damn beatnik" and drove off. pretty exciting for me at the time.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 09:05 pm
Dyslexia, that SWAT thing had to be a bit unsettling for both you and your neighbors ... one of the reasons I just plain don't like cities. Up here, no sirens, no streetlights, no traffic signals. This time of year, with the leaves off the trees, I can see some of my neighbors, most of them a half mile or so from Castle Timber. In a couple months, there will be one visible. Its commonly said that many of the roads are paved, there's phone and electric almost everywhere, and damned near every dwelling has indoor plumbing. I consider myself fortunate my needs are met by The Rural Lifestyle. Around here, if someone notices you carrying a rifle, they'll like as not drag their own out and brag about their new scope or fancy chequered stock. Matter of fact, I just got a great new sling for my own carbine, a Marlin 336 Lever Action .35 Rem (a great woods and heavy brush rifle).



timber.
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