Do the Dems hate Wall Street?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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I have no opinion on Private Accounts UNTIL someone tells me what the rest of the solution is. Private Accounts MAY be part of a solution, but not the whole solution.

Meh. I (and many others) feel that the push for private accounts is a push to do away with SS.

I mean, you don't break a horse by jumping on his back right away and expect him to act all docile. You do it a little at a time. You get the horse used to the idea. You get him used to your smell. You convince the horse that it's okay to put a bridle on him.

Same thing here.Cycloptichorn

Isn't it the same way with SS? It has been around for so long that people have become dependent on it. The analogy you just used fits the same for SS and the taxes the govt collects from us.

Dookiestix wrote:

And the Right hates people who insist on fairness and equality in this country.

The only fairness people like you want is to make everyone equal no matter how hard they work or how little they work. How is that fair? You know there are people who are homeless that don't work right? You do know that most of them are homeless due to their own faults right? People who have drug problems or alcohol problems have done it to themselves, how is it fair that we must pay for some one else's bad choices. I know you call it compassion I call it enabling.

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They hate people who have NO money (or very little); they whine and complain that ANYONE can get a good paying job if they wanted to (which is so not true, as there will always be less fortunate);

People who don't try and get a better education will always be the less fortunate. There are so many programs for people to get an education that it isn't funny. There are tons of free govt grants that lower income people can receive. This would allow them to go to school and get a better education. They can start at easy classes and work their way up to harder classes. I have had to start over in a few subjects and it isn't that bad.

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they hate people who insist on having their votes counted;

This is non-relevant to the current issue.

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they hate dissent against this sitting pResident

I don't hate dissent against the current president. It is your right and no one is going to take it from you. Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we hate you. Most of the hate is coming from your side over a bitter loss, which is reflective in your use of the word "pResident".

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and they especially hate those who may be different than themselves.

You'll have to be more specific on this one!

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RexRed wrote:

Dookiestix wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
Uninformed neocons like RexRed rely on ambiguous and convoluted discussion in order to muddy the waters of consistency in the debate, thereby allowing the bait and switch to happen wherever they choose. They also will tap into any remote element of a long, extensive thread, and use it to their advantage, even though it may be completely off-topic.

But hey, I guess there's no sense at all in reaching him now with your "leftist move on dot org mumbo jumbo..."

...and your point is?

I guess my point is that you come off as a GOP shill who is mearly parroting the GOP talking points regarding SS. I've heard those lines in "red" so many times as to make me puke...

You've heard them but did you ever listen?

As I recognize the talking points well, I think one can naturally assume that I've "heard" them and have "listened" to them before. Over and over and over and over....

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I would say he ignores the points about as well as some of us ignore his URL links to commondreams!

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It's easy to ignore the oft repeated ad naseum GOP points, especially from one who repeats them and starts their thread by asking if Democrats hate wallstreet?

It's disengenuous, and just plain stupid.

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Is it any better then you starting a post (which I answered and you haven't) with neo's hate this and neo's hate that. I can almost put your posts on instant replay for about any thread you respond to.

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Isn't it the same way with SS? It has been around for so long that people have become dependent on it. The analogy you just used fits the same for SS and the taxes the govt collects from us.

No, it wasn't the same way with SS at all. Social Security was enacted rapidly and fully, and had to be paid into quite a bit up front in order to give money to people who needed it right then.

It's not as if it was snuck up on people a little at a time. There were 8 different committees of Congress that were involved with the formation of SSecurity. This is a different horse, Baldimo; slow death for the system that the politicians will come out and tell you they really want to do away with.

Not that it's going to happen, as the public is against it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050309/ap_on_go_pr_wh/social_security

Cycloptichorn

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I really do hate Wall street but only because 100% of my income is from stocks/bonds/annuities. I hate the dependence of it all.

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Baldimo wrote:

Is it any better then you starting a post (which I answered and you haven't) with neo's hate this and neo's hate that. I can almost put your posts on instant replay for about any thread you respond to.

Well, as those in power of all branches of government are continuing to destroy such things as bankruptcy for lower class and middle-class citizens, and yet keep the loopholes in for the rich, I'd say there's a lot of hate being spread around against those most in need.

Look no further than the stellar archconservative nutball Ann Coulter calling for the death of liberals to get an idea how much hate is going around.

If you want more examples, there are tons of them, many from other conservative idiots on the airwaves and in the newspapers who are calling anybody who doesn't agree with them terrorists.

So, yeah, I'm seeing a lot of hate coming from these people lately.

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"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too."

Ann Coulter, to 3,500 cheering Republicans

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." - from her syndicated column

(http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter091301.shtml), 13 September, 2001

"To The People Of Islam: Just think: If we'd invaded your countries, killed your leaders and converted you to Christianity YOU'D ALL BE OPENING CHRISTMAS PRESENTS RIGHT ABOUT NOW! Merry Christmas." -

http://www.anncoulter.com/ (since removed) December 22 - 29, 2004.

Hmmm...nice.

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Dookiestix wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
Is it any better then you starting a post (which I answered and you haven't) with neo's hate this and neo's hate that. I can almost put your posts on instant replay for about any thread you respond to.

Well, as those in power of all branches of government are continuing to destroy such things as bankruptcy for lower class and middle-class citizens, and yet keep the loopholes in for the rich, I'd say there's a lot of hate being spread around against those most in need.

Look no further than the stellar archconservative nutball Ann Coulter calling for the death of liberals to get an idea how much hate is going around.

If you want more examples, there are tons of them, many from other conservative idiots on the airwaves and in the newspapers who are calling anybody who doesn't agree with them terrorists.

So, yeah, I'm seeing a lot of hate coming from these people lately.

I never said it didn't go both ways. It goes both ways all day long and it will never stop.

Do you care to address the rest of the post I put out?

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Regarding the topic of my post... I read a headline about "Bush giving Wall Street a slobbery kiss" with SSI. (something of that order of magnitude) I thought who in the heck would have written such utter shameful garbage? A democrat of course... thus my post was born...

Does Wall street not deserve a kiss or would the dems rather another plane? It seems that way.

The dems are seriously being led by America haters and need a new direction or 08 will be a repeat of 04. I voted for Gore too!!! But I voted for Bush the last election... The dems are out of touch with the issues... This is not going to get better until they start listening...

But not this crap the dems are throwing at us... Dean, Kerry, Sharpton... all way far off the mark. Hillary is the same with her "socialized" medicine. She has been listening to the Europeans... like Kerry's love for the UN...

They have not learned a bit from the election... again they hear the talking points but they are NOT listening! Till the dems start to listen the American people will just keep voting them out of office...

I cannot figure out where the dems on welfare are getting all this crack! Smile

Pricy stuff I hear... and support their local terrorist to boot!

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Rex wrote:

... again they hear the talking points but they are NOT listening!

It's hard to be heard when the corporate message is being controlled...

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The Democrats are turning more into Republicans everyday...

http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/001214.php

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Even the freepers are against that bill.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1358749/posts

From one of the posts:

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This bill is a hugely bad idea -- in my opinion -- because it's going to play havoc with the banking system. Again, just my thoughts -- but I see two waves hitting the banks. The first is the massive number of people who'll rush to file Chap 11 under the old rules. Some of these people would have been on the fence and continued to pay off the bills, but since this is the last chance to walk away, many of them will take the opportunity.

Secondly, once people start failing in a significant way -- and it's gonna happen. They're gonna start losing their homes. Banks are not only going to end up with a lot of homes to sell (something they don't like to do) but if the numbers reach a certain level (as yet to be determined) it's going to drive prices down, so the banks end up upside down on all those mortgages.

This bill seems to be a real exercise in being real careful what you wish for...

This is what Republicans stand for, Rex (and apparently some Dems). Rules that make it harder for regular people to get back on their feet.

Cycloptichorn

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Dookiestix wrote:

Rex wrote:
... again they hear the talking points but they are NOT listening!

It's hard to be heard when the corporate message is being controlled...

It is controlled equally on both sides for a change.

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Um, the operative word, Rex, is "controlled..."

Or have we so soon forgotten one of the important tenents of fascism?

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Wow, a freeper with an actual objective viewpoint on this issue. I'm shocked! Shocked

But then, of course, these people who will be left out in the cold will suffer enormously from the massive debt, sell everything they have, be denied welfare (because freepers HATE welfare), and end up homeless on the streets.

Maybe Freepers will realize that it won't just be the liberals who end up fishing in the trash bins for their next meal.

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NOONE has even bothered since this turned into a no-point diatribe.
ANYBODY care to see how its working in the UK?.
Theyve already got what is being touted by Bush.

What Rex needs to understand isthat the market is subject to periodic steep corrections . We are still not back to where the market was in 2000. Weve basically shown , with market performance, that, :Investing" for long term appreciation can have its dangers. How many Americans will be swindled out of their money because they dont understand that their investment venue is controlled by outside forces not govt fiat.

The original SS was designed as an "insurance policy" to provide a portion of a persons retirement. In other words , we were already expected to prepare with outside investments.

I expect that this will become just another govt program, riddled with pork and loaded with potential for corruption. We arent any smarter than the UK , in fact we do the same damn dumb things but with a hillbilly accent.

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farmerman wrote:

NOONE has even bothered since this turned into a no-point diatribe.
ANYBODY care to see how its working in the UK?.
Theyve already got what is being touted by Bush.

What Rex needs to understand isthat the market is subject to periodic steep corrections . We are still not back to where the market was in 2000. Weve basically shown , with market performance, that, :Investing" for long term appreciation can have its dangers. How many Americans will be swindled out of their money because they dont understand that their investment venue is controlled by outside forces not govt fiat.

The original SS was designed as an "insurance policy" to provide a portion of a persons retirement. In other words , we were already expected to prepare with outside investments.

I expect that this will become just another govt program, riddled with pork and loaded with potential for corruption. We arent any smarter than the UK , in fact we do the same damn dumb things but with a hillbilly accent.

I believe there is a south American country that serves as the model that the US uses for SSI privatization.

I will look for the link and post it.

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It's definitely about swindling Americans of their hard earned dollars. It is also mostly about special corporate interests getting their way in the Republican controlled legislature. Although, to be fair, there are Democrats who are also bowing to pressure and voting for corporate interests, i.e., credit card companies.

And now they can do more in swindling the American people of their hard earned dollars.

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The original SS was designed as an "insurance policy" to provide a portion of a persons retirement. In other words , we were already expected to prepare with outside investments.

Precisely! And we still invest, both Republicans AND Democrats. Thereby, the heading of this thread only sounds more ludicrous with each additional post.

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