RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 11:16 am
I had to include this...

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/disney_mouse.htm

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/disney_snow_white.htm
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 03:30 pm
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 03:45 pm
...and then I awoke in a cold sweat.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:20 pm
Did humans evolve from plants or along side of plants?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:26 pm
Alongside, as far as we can tell. There are unicellular analogues of plant and animal cells, and they are (fairly) distinct.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:32 pm
patiodog wrote:
Alongside, as far as we can tell. There are unicellular analogues of plant and animal cells, and they are (fairly) distinct.


How similar is human DNA from plant?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:33 pm
Not sure.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:41 pm
patiodog wrote:
Not sure.


Thx I think plants are certainly our distant cousins... Smile
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:46 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
...and then I awoke in a cold sweat.


Not as far out as you may think. Your favorite party is rapidly headed in that direction.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:54 pm
Here's something for you, rexred. I can't vouch for anything there -- but, then, neither could anyone there vouch for me.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2005-01/1106151006.Ge.r.html

So, some guy who claims to be biology faculty in Missouri estimates that humans and arabidopsis (or whatever it's called, the plant that's the quintessential darling of the laboratory bench) share about 30% of their proteins (30% of human, 30% of plant, or 30% of total, I'm not entirely sure).
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 08:45 pm
RexRed wrote:
patiodog wrote:
Not sure.


Thx I think plants are certainly our distant cousins... Smile


Everything with DNA is our distant cousin (after all, the common ancestor of everything is a replicative molecule). It's just that some cousins are more distant than others.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 06:05 am
The fact that we share similar material, is a proposterous reason to say that we are related or had a common ancestor.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 06:44 am
plants have a huge genome but with lots of introns and non-coding lengths.

The fundamental issue from which DNA is shown as evidence of common ancestry is that entire sections of a genome are essentially the same for mice, men, birds etc. A genetic view of lifes "blueprint" is only now being decoded and the evidence , while not presented with a decoder ring, is very compelling.
Max Meselson and Frank Stahl, unraveled the way that DNA transmits its information i replecation. This started the entire process of understanding how this chemical became evidence of what Gould called,"The bookkeeping of evolution"
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 09:25 am
thunder_runner32 wrote:
The fact that we share similar material, is a proposterous reason to say that we are related or had a common ancestor.


Actually, we know that everything is related and has common ancestors simply because we've all got DNA. We need no more information than that to make the general conclusion that everything is related.

The similarities in DNA only help us figure out where the common ancestors are, and the details of the relationship between organisms.

Why does this seem preposterous to you?
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 10:32 am
Quote:
Why does this seem preposterous to you?


Because it is used to try and prove our evolutionary origin.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 12:20 pm
I find this one difficult the answer is not right there like some of the other questions...

I personally believe we did evolve from plants... I feel a close kindred with them hehe Smile

But, what is puzzling to me is how we are such a compliment/bookend to plants. The oxygen/Co2 thing and that we all need photosynthesis to live.. Which means we evolved maybe originally from plants but then for a time we evolved beside plants and developed a symbiotic

(Dictionary.com
1.) Biology. A close, prolonged association between two or more different organisms of different species that may, but does not necessarily, benefit each member.
2.) A relationship of mutual benefit or dependence.)

relationship... this enabled further evolution of both species...

We survived the plant kingdom by becoming cannibals...

We survived the animal kingdom by becoming cannibals...

[This is unrelated really, but the origin of the word cannibal is not from Africa as some might suppose... It is from Babylonian Chaldee which means "the priests of Baal"... who were known for eating flesh and blood of humans in rituals.]

I have heard it said that, "Lucy" an early hominoid, had four huge stomachs like a cow to digest vegetables and a small brain. Humans climbed out of the fertile valley in Africa onto the plains and lost their four stomachs and small brains to one stomach and larger brains for hunting and killing skills and digesting only animal protein. The stomach, becoming less of an organ, gave the human body more energy to develop other organs i.e. the brain... It is hard to sometimes imagine that this one single change was what gave us intelligence... but that may be the case. I have my own theory as to why they came out onto the plains... they may have discovered how to make fire...

Acts 11:5-7
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 12:33 pm
We evolved from plants?!?! I don't know where you're getting that information.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 12:47 pm
thunder_runner32 wrote:
We evolved from plants?!?! I don't know where you're getting that information.


Jesus refers to humans as plants... seeds that fall on hard ground sometimes...
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 01:52 pm
Quote:
Because it is used to try and prove our evolutionary origin.


It never started out that way. The evolutionary linkage was only begun to be understood when STR's and some genetic patterns were decoded in the 90's and that only became possible when new "xerox" type electrophoretic equipment became available to the general medical labs.
The evidence, while often starting as medical quests into disease origins, began to show that entire populations that were separated from other populations develop a unique genetic complement in the noncoding lengths of DNA. As the unravelling of genomes became a daily occurence, it was, with the assistance of quick PC computers easy to use "data mining" techniques to begin to undesrtand the close structures of various genic complements. All the advances were dependent upon the convenient development of PC's, applicable software, PCR equipment, and the sectioning of genomes. All this was done pretty much by theprivate sector.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 03:07 pm
thunder_runner32 wrote:
We evolved from plants?!?! I don't know where you're getting that information.


I don't know where he's getting it either. Rex gave up any attempt at logic and reason many many posts ago.

We did not evolve from plants.

However, Plants and Animals did have a common ancestor. Similarly, we have a common ancestor with Apes, but we did not evolve from Apes. And you and your cousin have a common ancestor also, but you did not evolve from your cousin.

Just because you're related to something else in the tree of life, doesn't necessarily mean you evolved from it.
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