Evolution? How?

RexRed wrote:

Then what assembled the thing that assembled DNA? What "created" the conditions for chaos?

You think it was God? Then what created that God? And what created the God before that one, and so on.

You're asking a useless question, because the premis implies a situation which cannot be resolved. So there's no sense even going there.

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RexRed wrote:

Well, yea, when you go back to the beginning you find answers, God. When you conclude there was a big bang and NOTHING before that, you are an idiot. Even the Bible says in the beginning, God... They wouldn't be so presuming to say in the beginning, NOTHING...

Science doesn't say there was "NOTHING", it only says it doesn't know. And there's a BIG difference between the two things.

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wandeljw wrote:

The anti-evolution movement in the United States has ironically undergone evolution-like changes:

"creationism" "creation science" "intelligent design" "teach the controversy"

The mechanisms causing this "evolution" have been statutes and court decisions. The modifications in anti-evolution strategy are the result of efforts to get around statutes and court decisions.

Actually in schools creationism is all that was taught till evolution came along.

God Exists in schools

Dwarwin comes along

Sigh of relief for God haters

Prayer Removed from School

Crime INcreases

School Crime Increases

Vilonet crimes have increased

all because god has been removed from Schools.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Taking the point of least resistance. Supposedly we were warned of the "tree of knowledge." Could be this is the evolutionary tree in "Origin." This god of the Bible has a bag of dirty tricks to befuddle and elude us. Fundamentalist can now click those ruby slippers together and that will take them back to rural Kansas, where a tornado can sweep them off into the heavens to their own Land of Oz.

Hehe

The tree of knowledge was a knowledge source that grew outside of the knowledge of God...

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RexRed wrote:

Well, yea, when you go back to the beginning you find answers, God.

You don't find God at the beginning. You only imagine you see God at the beginning, because you cannot imagine anything else could possibly have occurred beforehand.

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When you conclude there was a big bang and NOTHING before that, you are an idiot. Even the Bible says in the beginning, God... They wouldn't be so presuming to say in the beginning, NOTHING...

So you can believe nothing makes intelligence and I will believe intelligence makes intelligence.

No one said anything about there being nothing before the Big Bang. You are putting words into people's mouths. That is a disingeneous argument you've got there.

xingu said nothing about there being nothing before the Big Bang. Yet you claim he said it and then argue against it. You, yourself, came up with that idea, not him. He clearly said, no one knows what is before the Big Bang.

It could be God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the collapse of a Universe where gravity pulled everything in on itself...

Both xingu and I were merely pointing out that you are doing nothing but assuming, and that your supposed truth that "God is behind the Big Bang" has nothing going for it and that you cannot say for sure whether it is truth.

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Vulgarity doesn't make your position any more credible either.

There's nothing vulgar about nipples. If you truly believe in God and that God created you in his image, then nipples cannot be vulgar.

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xingu wrote:

But I have faith in the truth. Just as religion's geocentric myth was slain by science's heliocentric truth so to will creationism/ID fall and be replaced by evolution.

We are living in the time of transition from the myth of creationism to evolution much as those who lived in the past between geocentrism and heliocentrism.

Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

Everything else is subject to God's will and can be torn asunder just by his word.

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RexRed wrote:

Again, evolution does not explain creation, evolution is only a part of creation.

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?

NO its not

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Scott777ab wrote:

God Exists in schools Dwarwin comes along Sigh of relief for God haters Prayer Removed from School Crime INcreases School Crime Increases Vilonet crimes have increased all because god has been removed from Schools.

And can you statistically prove this?

Crime has been increasing in the UK too, but state schools are supposed to teach Christianity by law. Therefore, God has not been removed from British schools, yet crime has increased there.

Attributing crime to Darwin is the most disingeneous argument I've seen yet, one that Spendi loves to peddle with his "I can make an assertion without proof, but you can't" attitude.

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Its all the hippies fault.

Peace
Love
No War

60's movement.

Sense then look at the statics they are WAY UP
By over 300% even if you compare number of people today compared to then and bring the % down the percentage is still like around 100% to 200% more violent crime.

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Rex wrote:

When you conclude there was a big bang and NOTHING before that, you are an idiot.

No, I'm not saying there was nothing before that. I'm saying we don't have any evidence that there was or was not anything before that. Therefore it is unknown.

Rex wrote:

Vulgarity doesn't make your position any more credible either.

Do you think your nipples are vulgar? By your belief God put them there. I guess God's vulgar.

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Scott777ab wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Again, evolution does not explain creation, evolution is only a part of creation.

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?

NO its not

According to the Holy Bible, evolution is a part of creation.

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Oh goody, a bitch fight between religious wingnuts . . . this should be entertaining . . .

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Scott777ab wrote:

Its all the hippies fault.

First it was Darwin, now you're blaming hippies. Hey, here's a thought... maybe it's the Christians.

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Data correlations show that in almost all regards the highly secular
democracies consistently enjoy low rates of societal dysfunction, while pro-religious and antievolution America performs poorly.

Source: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/pdf/2005-11.pdf

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Peace
Love
No War

60's movement.

But those are Christian ideals...

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Sense then look at the statics they are WAY UP
By over 300% even if you compare number of people today compared to then and bring the % down the percentage is still like around 100% to 200% more violent crime.

Correlation does not imply causation. Since the teaching of Evolution, death rates from most cancers have decreased, air travel has increased, and the earth's temperature has risen, but you don't attribute any of that to it.

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rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Well, yea, when you go back to the beginning you find answers, God. When you conclude there was a big bang and NOTHING before that, you are an idiot. Even the Bible says in the beginning, God... They wouldn't be so presuming to say in the beginning, NOTHING...

Science doesn't say there was "NOTHING", it only says it doesn't know. And there's a BIG difference between the two things.

So are you saying there was NOTHING BIG before the big bang? Smile

You are saying there was no TIME before the big bang and that is BIG...

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Setanta wrote:

Oh goody, a bitch fight between religious wingnuts . . . this should be entertaining . . .

You may have to endure a few Bible quotes. Smile

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RexRed wrote:

You are saying there was no TIME before the big bang and that is BIG...

No, he's saying that science doesn't know. What is wrong with you? You keep putting words into his mouth. He never said anything about time.

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RexRed wrote:

Scott777ab wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Again, evolution does not explain creation, evolution is only a part of creation.

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?

NO its not

According to the Holy Bible, evolution is a part of creation.

No its not prove your self
VERSE
please.

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RexRed wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Well, yea, when you go back to the beginning you find answers, God. When you conclude there was a big bang and NOTHING before that, you are an idiot. Even the Bible says in the beginning, God... They wouldn't be so presuming to say in the beginning, NOTHING...

Science doesn't say there was "NOTHING", it only says it doesn't know. And there's a BIG difference between the two things.

So are you saying there was NOTHING BIG before the big bang?

You are saying there was no TIME before the big bang and that is BIG...

There was no big bang.
God created out of nothing.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

RexRed wrote:
You are saying there was no TIME before the big bang and that is BIG...

No, he's saying that science doesn't know. What is wrong with you? You keep putting words into his mouth. He never said anything about time.

I think he has a hard time comprehending anything outside his preconceived notions. He wants to believe I'm saying there's NOTHING. Since I'm not saying that he can't understand what I'm saying.

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There is only one true Creator.

The TRUE Creator was never created. The Creator creates. The Almighty Creator observes within all that is created and interacts with what has been created. Within the creation the Creator may; form, make and even create NEW "creations" even AFTER "the beginning".

There are "separate beginnings" for much that is created, formed or made by God.

God is the timeless, endless, boundless creator and architect of all ages.

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