Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 11:40 pm
What about Christian science is that theory too?
<giggle>
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 11:42 pm
Scott777ab wrote:
read post above theory is not fact

Same as science theory
Science theory is not fact either.
Its theory.

have fun.

Be assured we're having fun - your ignorance-laden postings are providing great entertainment.
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 11:44 pm
Sceince Fact is like 1 plus 1 equals 2
Science Theory is stuff like Evolution

Fact is not theory guys. Remove the brown from your noses and you might then smell the truth.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 11:50 pm
"Faith is believing in what you know isn't so"
Mark Twain


Quote:
Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories

Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean.

Three such terms that are often used interchangeably are "scientific law," "hypothesis," and "theory."

In layman's terms, if something is said to be "just a theory," it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:

Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don't really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook's law of elasticity.

Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.

An analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.

A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.

An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.

A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.


Now, Scott, demonstrate objectively and in academically sound, forensically valid manner that religious faith, particularly the fundamentalist Christian faith concept you apparently endorse, be differentiable from superstion.
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 11:53 pm
Romans the whole book


have fun.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 04:31 am
Scott777ab, thank you for displaying one of the many techniques used by Creationists, mainly the "lying out of omission".

You used the Wikipedia Theory article, which stated:

Quote:


In order to prove your point. However, just below that paragraph is the following:

Quote:
In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists, "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.


Oh. What's that?

It follows from this that for scientists, "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition.

Therefore, scientific theory can be fact. I love it how you complain about how talk7200 twists the meaning of scripture to support his views, yet you do the same with articles that don't quite support your ideas.

Can you say, hypocrite?
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 06:15 am
In the field of evolution, until something comes along that will totally discredits it, it will be considered a fact. Nothing discovered has shown us that evolution is wrong. The Bible doesn't count for anything because it has proven itself to be a very inaccurate book in the field of science.

I think Creationist get some things mixed up here, and they do it on purpose to promote their religious dogma. They think if there is controversy among scientist as to how evolution works or unanswered questions, they see this as a flaw in evolution itself. It's not.

Look at the Atomic Theory. This is a theory of the nature of matter. It states that all matter is composed of atoms. But how do atoms work? How do they hold themselves together? For years, and even today, there are many questions unanswered and competing ideas about how everything works in the world of atoms. Does that mean the Atomic Theory is false? Does that mean atoms don't exist? Of course not. The Atomic Theory is no more false than the Theory of Evolution.

Creationist and ID'ers attack evolution for the same reason the Catholic Church attacked Copernicus and Galileo. They couldn't accept the idea that science had greater knowledge than the Bible. There are still Catholics today clinging to the old geocentric universe as related in their "inerrant" Bible. Creationist are just as wrong about creationism and ID as their predecessors were about the geocentric universe.

Today, as in Galileo's day, religion sees science as a threat to their inerrant Bible. This is good. Seeking knowledge if far better than believing in old religious myths.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 06:25 am
xingu wrote:
Today, as in Galileo's day, religion sees science as a threat to their inerrant Bible. This is good. Seeking knowledge if far better than believing in old religious myths.


In a way, however, this is bad.

The more under threat they feel, the more extreme measures they'll take to get their own way. They even re-elected that joker in the White House, just so he could ensure they get their own way. Of course, the fact that the alternative candidate didn't really stand for anything didn't really help.

P.S. I made an error in my above post. I should have said, "lying by omission".
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 07:04 am
The anti-evolution movement in the United States has ironically undergone evolution-like changes:

"creationism" Arrow "creation science" Arrow "intelligent design" Arrow "teach the controversy"

The mechanisms causing this "evolution" have been statutes and court decisions. The modifications in anti-evolution strategy are the result of efforts to get around statutes and court decisions.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 07:12 am
You're right. It also proves that the most inane of creatures can still survive after natural selection pressures, so an intelligent designer couldn't possibly have been behind Evolution.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 07:17 am
But I have faith in the truth. Just as religion's geocentric myth was slain by science's heliocentric truth so to will creationism/ID fall and be replaced by evolution.

We are living in the time of transition from the myth of creationism to evolution much as those who lived in the past between geocentrism and heliocentrism.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 07:21 am
xingu wrote:
We are living in the time of transition from the myth of creationism to evolution much as those who lived in the past between geocentrism and heliocentrism.


Geocentrism still exists, but in a tiny fraction of the population. There will probably always be a few who cling to unsubstantiated ideas.

How long will the current transition period take until creationism is relegated to the same tiny fraction of the population that geocentrism is?

Also, is the media attention to the current evolution/creation debates skewing our view of what the current demographics look like?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 07:26 am
rosborne979 wrote:
Also, is the media attention to the current evolution/creation debates skewing our view of what the current demographics look like?


This is a cogent question. One might reasonably assume, absent the furor, that belief in biblical literalism would wane as children grew up without any particular reason to explore the "issue"--and an issue which only is an issue because of the efforts of groups like the Discovery Institute.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 07:32 am
Setanta wrote:
This is a cogent question. One might reasonably assume, absent the furor, that belief in biblical literalism would wane as children grew up without any particular reason to explore the "issue"--and an issue which only is an issue because of the efforts of groups like the Discovery Institute.


It isn't clear to me just how large the literal creation contingent is, or how badly most people really want to resist evolution in schools.

I know that some polls show people denying evolution and supporting creation, but I suspect that in most people's daily lives, they just want the schools to teach their kids valuable material so the kids can get good jobs. Most parents who don't have a clue what evolution is, don't take a stand one side or another until they are PULLED into the fray by a poll, or a school board decision.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 08:07 am
I would add that there are other reasons besides religion behind anti-evolution feelings. When the "intelligent design" controversy began, the media, sometimes unintentionally, gave the false impression that ID was a valid scientific alternative. Before the Dover decision, there was an episode on TV's "West Wing" where a liberal candidate for President endorsed the teaching of intelligent design.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 09:24 am
Again, evolution does not explain creation, evolution is only a part of creation.

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 09:35 am
RexRed wrote:
Again, evolution does not explain creation, evolution is only a part of creation.

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?


And why is there a necessity that "something" had to speak these words into being...other than your superstitions, of course?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 09:43 am
Again, Francis Crick:

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/8870/books/crick.html
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 10:08 am
RexRed wrote:

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?


This is an excellent point, Rex.

Intelligible language does not assemble itself.

Computer code does not assemble itself. Ask a programmer if you don't believe it. Smile

Does anyone seriously think that the genetic code could have simply assembled itself?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 10:18 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Again, evolution does not explain creation, evolution is only a part of creation.

Who created the "words" that make up DNA? Who spoke these "words" into being?


And why is there a necessity that "something" had to speak these words into being...other than your superstitions, of course?


Hi Frank

Is there any reason why we should stick our head in the sand regarding the question?
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