Evolution? How?

timberlandko wrote:

Absolutely no science whatsoever has been produced by creationists/ID-iots

No literature supportive of Creationism/ID-iocy is to be found external to the Creationist/ID-iot community

Science provides an ever-growing, cross-discipline, mutually corroborative body of evidence not merely consistent with but unequivocally confirmatory of evolution

Science provides absolutely no evidence contraindicative of evolution

Creationists/ID-iots consistently misrepresent, misconstrue, and/or misquote legitimate scientific literature and otherwise display no functional grasp either of the science behind evolution or the principles of debate

Creationism/ID-iocy have be found by court of law to be essentially coequal, dependent upon, and descended from a religionist proposition

Creationism/ID-iocy likewise have been found by court of law to be not science

No court decision or other legal decision prohibiting the teaching of Creationism/ID-iocy ever has been successfully appealed

Creationism/ID-iocy is overwhelmingly rejected by both the scientific and academic communities

Any argument ever posed in support of Creationism/ID-iocy has been demonstrated to be scientifically, forensically, and logically flawed

Very crisp!

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timberlandko wrote:

Absolutely no science whatsoever has been produced by creationists/ID-iots

No literature supportive of Creationism/ID-iocy is to be found external to the Creationist/ID-iot community

Science provides an ever-growing, cross-discipline, mutually corroborative body of evidence not merely consistent with but unequivocally confirmatory of evolution

Science provides absolutely no evidence contraindicative of evolution

Creationists/ID-iots consistently misrepresent, misconstrue, and/or misquote legitimate scientific literature and otherwise display no functional grasp either of the science behind evolution or the principles of debate

Creationism/ID-iocy have be found by court of law to be essentially coequal, dependent upon, and descended from a religionist proposition

Creationism/ID-iocy likewise have been found by court of law to be not science

No court decision or other legal decision prohibiting the teaching of Creationism/ID-iocy ever has been successfully appealed

Creationism/ID-iocy is overwhelmingly rejected by both the scientific and academic communities

Any argument ever posed in support of Creationism/ID-iocy has been demonstrated to be scientifically, forensically, and logically flawed

It's all a giant conspiracy by the arrogant scientists to oppress and dismiss the poor creationist newcommers. Wink

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I like when Timber makes lists..

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I wanna see a much more diverse input from the religious contingent outside of Christianity. How about Bahá'í, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Sikhism, New Age?

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xingu wrote:

rl
How long do you think it takes to make a fossil?

5 yrs?

100 yrs?

2000 yrs?

How long does it take for God to make a hydrogen atom?

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What's a hydrogen atom? What makes you think such thing would exist?

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RexRed wrote:

xingu wrote:
rl
How long do you think it takes to make a fossil?

5 yrs?

100 yrs?

2000 yrs?

How long does it take for God to make a hydrogen atom?

How about an intelligent answer. You don't like evolutions timeline so what's yours.

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RexRed wrote:

xingu wrote:
rl
How long do you think it takes to make a fossil?

5 yrs?

100 yrs?

2000 yrs?

How long does it take for God to make a hydrogen atom?

How long does it take the Tooth Fairy to steal a tooth? Who cares.

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How long does it take God to make a hydrogen atom? Depends on if the hydrogen atom is dressed in a silk negligee.

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xingu wrote:

rl
How long do you think it takes to make a fossil?

5 yrs?

100 yrs?

2000 yrs?

Creatures that we find later as fossils are typically buried quickly, within hours or days. Certainly not years or centuries.

If a carcass was exposed for thousands of years as sedimentary layers slowly built up around it, a few millimeters a year; then it would be decimated by decay and scavengers and very little would be left to fossilize.

Yet the typical evolutionary story has the layer that the fossil is found in being laid down over hundreds, no -- usually thousands of years OR MORE.

Highly unlikely, wouldn't you agree?

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real, Having just returned from the Chicago a2k Gathering, and visiting three great museums that addresses evolution; namely the Adler Planetarium (big bang), the Field Museum (fossil of Sue), and the Museum of Science and Industry (evolution vs creationism explained), I would recommend those museums to you. You might learn something valuable to clear away all that plaque in your brain, although that may be asking too much.

All those museums explains about the universes, life, and the scientific explanations of chemistry in ways that most children can understand. Give it a shot; you may join in the rational human race.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

real, Having just returned from the Chicago a2k Gathering, and visiting three great museums that addresses evolution; namely the Adler Planetarium (big bang), the Field Museum (fossil of Sue), and the Museum of Science and Industry (evolution vs creationism explained), I would recommend those museums to you. You might learn something valuable to clear away all that plaque in your brain, although that may be asking too much.

All those museums explains about the universes, life, and the scientific explanations of chemistry in ways that most children can understand. Give it a shot; you may join in the rational human race.

Welcome back, CI. Hope you had a good time. Sorry I was unable to attend, I am sure that I was sorely missed.

I am very interested in your impression of the planetarium. What specifically did it have to present that related to evolution?

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So who was there?

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aperson, Visit this link for the latest news on the Chicago Gathering.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63039&start=2040

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Hey Real Life what is the motivation implicit in your postings?

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Chumly wrote:

Hey Real Life what is the motivation implicit in your postings?

Isn't it obvious?
He is a bot programmed by the best and brightest of the the 'creation institutes' IT staff.
Still has some bugs to work out...

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chuckles...

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real life wrote:

Yet the typical evolutionary story has the layer that the fossil is found in being laid down over hundreds, no -- usually thousands of years OR MORE.

Hi RL,

We've been through this before (remember?).

Sometimes quick events trap creatures and bury them (landslides and such). Other times animals die in oxygen poor, or otherwise poisonous environments where decay and scavenging are minimized (solnhofen limestone).

Also, a great deal of compression takes place over time, so a 1/2 inch of sandstone may represent a lot of time, whereas the fossilized material may be something harder than the surrounding material, and not be compressed. The result being that a fossil may form in softer material, only to have years and years of compression and accumulated material build up around it.

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rl

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Yet the typical evolutionary story has the layer that the fossil is found in being laid down over hundreds, no -- usually thousands of years OR MORE.

The fossil itself can be laid out in a deposit thats from a few days to many years. The boundary layers of one fossil event are called llaminae. When someone doing field work finds what could be an important fossil, they usually have a stratigrapher "carry in" a depositional age from above and below the fossil. SO even though a llamina may only be a few weeks of water borne sediment, the boundary layers may show dates many thousands of years apart. Carying in a date may involve magnetic remnants, alpha tracking, NMR,chemical makeup of the sediments, isotope dating, and bringing in sub and supewrposition fossil evidence from areas of known dates. Subsampling on paleosoils and other techniques like bioturbation, or microsampling of depositionl minerals are also frequently used tools
You should really try to understand the process before you try to critique it and feign incredulity.

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