Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:23 am
farmerman wrote:
Xingu, thanks for the blocker. I just had a new operating system put into my computer and they didnt set up certain things.


If it's XP, they obviously did not have it configured. The Google is great but don't activate the XP. It will slow down your Internet pages.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:47 am
Since over 95% if all species that have once existed on Earth are now extinct as failed life forms, the "intelligent designer" is not doing a very good job. If a designer were employed by a company and their designs are 95% unsuccessful, he or she would be pounding the pavement looking for a new job. Gee, maybe the "intelligent designer" is out there pounding the cosmic pavement? However, he (or she, or he/she if it's a transvestite) hasn't officially been fired, except for some of us who have had enough sense that he is doing a terrible job.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:48 am
That invisible intelligent designer can't be too intelligent at 5 percent success rate.
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tin sword arthur
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:50 am
Maybe it's senility. He's been around forever, you know.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:53 am
BTW, it's amazing to realize that so many christians don't mind their god to be such a kluts.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:53 am
I never thought of that -- Alzheimer's. Maybe if stem cell research were allowed to go forward unimpared, we could fix him/her? Since GWB can't seem to fix anything except gas prices for his oil buddies, we can't rely on anything he comes forth with.

That's klutz with a Z.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 10:57 am
Klutz with a "z." I'll have to remember that! *(if I ever have a need to use it again.) Wink
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:00 am
Laughing I wasn't intimating you were a klutz.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:02 am
LW, I knew that; I think. LOL
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:19 am
Lightwizard wrote:
Since over 95% if all species that have once existed on Earth are now extinct as failed life forms, the "intelligent designer" is not doing a very good job. If a designer were employed by a company and their designs are 95% unsuccessful, he or she would be pounding the pavement looking for a new job...........


Like Edison. Poor designer, eh? Over 1000 unsuccessful tries at the light bulb, Lightwiz.

Would you have fired him? Sounds like you would have. Way to go.

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BTW, did you ever consider the fact that if everything survived (initially), almost nothing would survive ultimately?

If all animals and plants were successful at avoiding being eaten, then nearly everything would die, unless it could eat dirt.

So again, if you had your druthers look what would happen.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:37 am
So you do equate the designer with the fallability of human kind. That squarely puts the kabosh on the all-seeing, all knowing superbeing concept. Edison was a God and allowed himself the same mistakes -- what a unique observation.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:38 am
real life wrote:
Like Edison. Poor designer, eh? Over 1000 unsuccessful tries at the light bulb, Lightwiz.


Actually, he didn't really invent the light bulb. He only developed on it. Which goes to show you that even something like the light bulb evolved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:39 am
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
real life wrote:
Like Edison. Poor designer, eh? Over 1000 unsuccessful tries at the light bulb, Lightwiz.


Actually, he didn't really invent the light bulb. He only developed on it. Which goes to show you that even something like the light bulb evolved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb


Right, Edison didn't "design" anything. He was an inventor with enough time and money to experiment.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 11:45 am
real life wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
Since over 95% if all species that have once existed on Earth are now extinct as failed life forms, the "intelligent designer" is not doing a very good job. If a designer were employed by a company and their designs are 95% unsuccessful, he or she would be pounding the pavement looking for a new job...........


Like Edison. Poor designer, eh? Over 1000 unsuccessful tries at the light bulb, Lightwiz.

Would you have fired him? Sounds like you would have. Way to go.

-----------------------------------------

BTW, did you ever consider the fact that if everything survived (initially), almost nothing would survive ultimately?

If all animals and plants were successful at avoiding being eaten, then nearly everything would die, unless it could eat dirt.

So again, if you had your druthers look what would happen.


Good description of evolution, with no designer necessary.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 12:33 pm
How many Darwinists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Charles Darwin: None. But if it could be shown that the bulb entered the socket without a series of clockwise turns, my theory would absolutely break down.

ACLU: None! We have separation of church and state in this country.

Eugenie Scott: None. To say a Darwinist did it is not a scientific explanation.

Panda's Thumb: None. To say that light bulbs don't screw themselves in is not a testable proposition. You can't prove they don't. That would be an argument from incredulity. You are committing a ?'Darwinist Of The Gaps' fallacy.

Generic 1: None. Time and chance are sufficient. Eventually it is inevitable that the bulb will be in the socket. Say, in a billion years.

Generic 2: None. The quintessentially non-random process of natural selection is sufficient. Those objects capable of giving off light when screwed into sockets will be in sockets. Those that aren't will be in the trash.

Richard Dawkins: None. A light bulb that gives off 1% light intensity is very much worth having. A bulb sitting on the shelf at the supermarket gives off a certain amount of light. One in the cupboard at home gives off more. One five feet from the socket gives off more, and one two feet away even more. One in the socket gives off the most of all. It is therefore inevitable that the bulb will reach the socket.

Stephen J. Gould: None. The bulb jumped into the socket when no one was looking. Gradually.

Kenneth Miller: None. The bulb was already serving a function: providing rigidity to its corrugated packaging on the supermarket shelf. Co-option did the rest.

Theistic Evolutionist: All of the above explanations are substantially correct. But the more important question is the meaning of the light.

Philip Johnson: One.

Michael Behe: One.

Stephen Meyer: One.

William Dembski: One.

Guillermo Gonzalez: One. But isn't it interesting that other light bulbs allowed the Darwinist to see what he was doing as he screwed in this light bulb.

Darwin Chorus: Oh, yeah? Which Darwinist? What is his name? If you won't tell us that, you're being disingenuous, and therefore no one screwed in the light bulb!

Flying Spaghetti Monster: Two. But don't ask me how they got in there. Oh. 'Darwinists'? I thought you said 'fruit flies'.

Michael Ruse: Are you trying to create a theocracy? The light bulbs in the reeducation camps will be depressingly dim. Unless they use candles. Do Christians know how to make fire?

Internet Infidels: First answer this: How many priests did it take to burn Galileo at the stake? Huh?!?

Panda's Thumb: If a Darwinist had screwed it in, it would be an efficient fluorescent, not a wasteful incandescent. Therefore no one screwed it in.

Talk.Origins: We've observed all kinds of light bulbs in all kinds of sockets: flashlights, automobile headlights, Christmas tree lights, Las Vegas marquees. There is nothing special about this light bulb and this socket.

Richard Dawkins: None. Darwin made it possible to feel fulfilled sitting in the dark.

Update: Richard Dawkins has accused me of leaving out one of his best arguments, so I add it below:

Richard Dawkins: To say that it took a Darwinist to do the screwing in of the lightbulb is to explain precisely nothing. The obvious question becomes: Who did the screwing to create the Darwinist screwer? And who did the screwing to create that screwer? There would have to be an infinite regress of screwers. And if you invoke some invisible, mystical Unscrewed Screwer (for which we have no credible evidence) to start the whole thing off, why not just say that the lightbulb screwed itself in and be done with it?

Update: I've been linked at Uncommon Descent where I found these comments:

Eugenie Scott: No one doubts that the light bulb got screwed into the socket. The only debate is over the details.

Richard Dawkins: Evolution is the study of light bulbs that look as if they've been screwed into their sockets for a purpose.

For S.J. Gould's answer: It's called punctuated illumination. And then we have to be careful about non-overlapping illuminarium.

Daniel Dennett: Perhaps we should keep fundamentalist light bulb inserters in cultural zoos so future generations can see how "in the dark" they really are!

Comment by DonaldM ?- April 18, 2006 @ 6:48 pm


Pianka: If we could just produce a directed surge of destructive electricity which would burn out 90% of the worlds light bulbs thereby conserving energy in the long-run and…

…you… you errr… didn't get that on tape, did you?

Comment by Scott ?- April 18, 2006 @ 7:01 pm


Also, from my own comment section (Larry Fafarman):

Judge Jones: The inanity of that question is breathtaking.

Update: More from Uncommon Descent commenters:

IDist: The lightbulb emits light and was screwed in by an intelligence. The lightning bug's rear emits light and therefore it must have been screwed in by an intelligence.

Comment by Fross [apparently a good-humored Darwinist]?- April 18, 2006 @ 8:14 pm


Sternberg at Smithsonian: I'm not allowed to question how the lightbulb is twisted into the socket now and they took the lightbulb, the switch, circuit and socket from my office.

Biblical account: Abraham walked with the light, Isaac inherited the light, Jacob stole it and built a ladder to place the light in Yisrael, Moses wrote a "How To" instruction manual for climbing the ladder, Joshua cleared the way for one to climb the ladder to the light, the twelve tribes argued about 613 traditional ways to walk up the ladder for the light, Christ welcomed everyone into his mansion saying there are many rooms and many lightbulbs, sending forth 12 disciples to the world with goodnews of grace that he fulfilled all the instruction manuals steps of Moses, the prophets and Psalms, and even though all others failed, he'd lift them to the light to see how one screws in the bulb if they believed on him. And he would return one day as light eternal for those who repented of not following instructions and they would never have to screw in another light bulb.

The complete and completely silly debate with opinions from "Kenneth Miller," "The Flying Spaghetti Monster," "Michael Ruse," and several design theorists carries on........
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 05:37 pm
You're nuts Chum. If only you were female as well.
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2006 06:41 pm
Geez, look who's calling someone nuts.
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TheUndonePoet
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 12:41 am
yeah, I know everyone is glad to see me again. I just had to reply to earlier comments about God's sienility. I thought making fun of theism was funny. In fact, i had a siezure. Just got back from the hospital. Wait! Sorry, had another Siezure. Had to go back. I think I'm good now.

Excuse me, while I go lay down a burnt offering before my statue of George W. Bush--the great and mighty wizard of OZUSA. Okay, I'm done. Don't worry, folks, because of my burnt sarifice of greenbacks George promised we wouldn't experience any homeland terrorist attacks for at least the next 6 months.

Crap, another siezure.


Please continue,



The............
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 01:10 am
http://www.physorg.com/news9538.html
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2006 01:29 am
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/article.php?id=956
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