Evolution? How?

timberlandko wrote:

May I take it you did not excell in the art of dance?

I see you can dance around a topic well... Smile

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Yes, we have just met the perfect parent who's made no mistakes in raising any children -- Dr. Spock would be proud. I'm thinking, rather, that Mr. Spock would find you not logical and having a pointed head to match his pointed ears.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Yes, we have just met the perfect parent who's made no mistakes in raising any children -- Dr. Spock would be proud. I'm thinking, rather, that Mr. Spock would find you not logical and having a pointed head to match his pointed ears.

Perhaps he is more akin to Data's cat Spot? BTW what's gone wrong with all the HTML quotes?

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Chumly wrote:

BTW what's gone wrong with all the HTML quotes?

There seems to be a bug in the system.

I had the same problem for a while there, but tweaking the "Disable HTML in this post" button at the bottom of the post seemed to correct the problem. Granted it had the opposite effect of what it says it should do, but it worked.

Good Luck.

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rosborne979 wrote:

Good Luck.

Thanks!

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Let's see if ths works!

Chumly wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
Good Luck.
Thanks!

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I know the site went down a few days ago and a day's post were lost -- E mail updates are also not working. Craven must be working on it.

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A test case of cumulative selection. The polar bears are maladapted for the melting Arctic Ice sheet and the seasonal disappearance of the larger sea ice sheets taht are at the lower latitudes. Consequently , experts feel that the bear may become extinct.
I say that we have here , a perfect plate upon which to watch a rapidly changing environment work its effect upon a species tightly adapted to a disappearing environment. Is there enough diversity in the bears to re-adapt to a Interstadial cycle, and perhaps re-adapt by evolution spurred on.

Remember , the fossil record is full of "losers " in the adaptation game. Its also a record of the day to day life of those that were adapted until some cataclysm changed the deck.

Can they, like sea otters, make the leap from water living land dwellers into fully marine ani,mals ? Or , will the double whammy of disappearing ice have its effect by making food supplies , normally hunted on sea ice , unavailable. I saw a piece on some show the other night where polar bears in the new Siberean islands, have begun adopting a new strategy, namely team hunting on walrus, a species that hauls out on land in masses, but is fairly impenetrable to polar bears hunting alone.

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Every time I think I have at least the basics of evolution down, this damn famerman guy (whoever he is) upsets my comfortable apple cart and sends me scrambling back to the computer.

Who is this famerman guy anyway and why does he have to keep me so busy tying to learn all this new stuff?

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Today, at Tokelau ( islands near Thailand) there is a native( but introduced) population of pigs , that have developed a low tide habit of swimming in the coral reefs to foage for seafood. The pigs
have become excellent swimmers and some degree of morphological changes have been noted in the population. There are examples of these adaptive mechanisms in a number of species. I wonder what the polar bear will become?

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Chumly, dont be modest, youre a sharp pencil

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Pardon me, do you have a pencil, Dick?

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Chumly wrote:

How can "everything we know" have come "about by established scientific laws or principles" when those self same "established scientific laws or principles" are in essence the product of accumulation of evidence firstly? IOW using evolution as an example, evidence before justification of theory, not the other way around.

I have yet to see anyone make strong arguments for "God to be the author of the laws governing our existence", they always fall back on faith only.

Sorry about the expresson "everything we know". Should I have said all things great and small? :wink:

Edited to add:
So, why isn't the quote thingy working?

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In preview mode check the "Disable HTML in this post" box.

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Doktor S wrote:

You would make a great politician neo
Just a couple of questions, though..
How old do you think the earth is? The bible allows for several kazilion years before the first creative day. The creative days could not have been 24 hours in length. If you will remember, the second chapter of Genesis lumps them all into a single day. So what is being used here is obvioiusly symbolic as in the expressiion 'my grandfather's day.'. Do you think evolution happens, or doesn't happen? Good question. I think the answer must take into account the observation that, for God, time is a tool rather than a limitation. And finally, would you humor me and make a 'strong argument' for 'god' being 'the author of the laws governing our existence'? (never seen one, would be novel)

...ok so that was more than 'a couple'
Sue me.

Sorry to have used the red color. The quote function is not behaving.

Yes, you have asked more than a couple. You owe me some form of libation to be determined at a later date. Laughing

So I guess you won't mind if I get back to you on that.

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Thanks, Chum

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Evolution should be taught as fact, says top scientist ... from the on-line Guardian.

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Stevo2 wrote:

Evolution should be taught as fact, says top scientist ... from the on-line Guardian.

Evolution may explain the evolution of the body and life energy but it cannot prove the existence or essence of the holy spirit.

The holy spirit is part of another creation so it is not even part of the same physical world as ours.

Also evolution does not explain what created the physical world and energy it just deducts from observation that viruses mutate and that creatures and physics are linked and flow in gradients of complexity.

So it does seem evident that evolution does explain how God chose to make the biological world.

It also seems evident the the physical world evolved from hydrogen.

Hydrogen is made of smaller particles, these particles are both energy and matter. Both energy and matter are part of the realm of time...

Because both energy fades and and depletes and matter decays and turns to dust over time.

But spirit is eternal, it cannot decay or deplete.

Spirit is in the realm of faith not science.

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Apparently, Rex, you're unfamiliar with The Laws of Thermodynamics and Relativity.

"Spirit" is neither quantifiable nor qualifiable, matter and energy are both, may be neither created nor destroyed, and simply are functions of one another. "Spirit"="Superstition", whereas E=MC² and all that.

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timber wrote-

Quote:

E=MC²

Do you really believe the C squared. I've always taken it as shorthand for a very big number.

Is it actually literally true?

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Man continues to search for the oldest human to prove our common ancestry from the apes. The big 64 million dollar question is, are there any fossils left to solve this question?

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