Evolution? How?

timber,

where did you get that graphic? it's great!

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Stevo2 wrote:

real life
The fossil record doesn't support creationism, that's for sure.

The fossils don't in any way contradict creation. Some inferences that people have tried to draw from them do.

But the fossil record itself is not in conflict with creation at all. There is no fossil that is inconsistent with creation.

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real life wrote:

Stevo2 wrote:
real life
The fossil record doesn't support creationism, that's for sure.

The fossils don't in any way contradict creation. Some inferences that people have tried to draw from them do.

But the fossil record itself is not in conflict with creation at all. There is no fossil that is inconsistent with creation.

Perhaps you should be more specific about the type of creation you are talking about. If you say that God created the Big Bang and all the natural processes and everything evolved naturally from that, then we might all agree with you.

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rosborne979 wrote:

real life wrote:
Stevo2 wrote:
real life
The fossil record doesn't support creationism, that's for sure.

The fossils don't in any way contradict creation. Some inferences that people have tried to draw from them do.

But the fossil record itself is not in conflict with creation at all. There is no fossil that is inconsistent with creation.

Perhaps you should be more specific about the type of creation you are talking about. If you say that God created the Big Bang and all the natural processes and everything evolved naturally from that, then we might all agree with you.

Well, mebbe not the pastafarians - and of course, there's always spendi.

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rosborne979 wrote:

real life wrote:
Stevo2 wrote:
real life
The fossil record doesn't support creationism, that's for sure.

The fossils don't in any way contradict creation. Some inferences that people have tried to draw from them do.

But the fossil record itself is not in conflict with creation at all. There is no fossil that is inconsistent with creation.

Perhaps you should be more specific about the type of creation you are talking about. If you say that God created the Big Bang and all the natural processes and everything evolved naturally from that, then we might all agree with you.

If God can create a big bang then the fossil records could have been created too...

This is not what I necessarily believe but it is admittedly possible with God...

The fossil record may be one of God's "realities"...

So I must agree with RL

Even if evolution is proven it does not rule out some creation event within evolution.

Even the process of evolution may have subtle elements of creation within it.

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The addition of perceived NEW holy "spirit" suddenly abiding within humans shows creation within evolution...

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If God created this seemingly closed physical system of a universe then it stands to reason that God had a hand in shaping or "forming" biology through evolution also.

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No one really wins or loses this debate...

The Bible says God created and yet God also formed... God made let's not forget too...

So as the Bible say in it's grand truth wisdom from God...

"The earth was formed, made and created"...

Not one or the other but all respectively...

That should settle it...

Humans were formed (body) made (soul/breath life) and created (spirit)

Formed ("formed" man from the dust of the ground)

Made (breathed into his nostrils and "made" man a living soul)

Created ("created" man in his own image, spirit)

Years of science and technology and still the only place where you can learn this great wisdom of the ages is God's matchless word...

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RexRed wrote:

Even the process of evolution may have subtle elements of creation within it.

If a creation event is so subtle that it is indistiguishable from natural process, then does it really exist, or even matter.

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rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Even the process of evolution may have subtle elements of creation within it.

If a creation event is so subtle that it is indistiguishable from natural process, then does it really exist, or even matter.

Well yes it does because creation as defined (by the Bible), is, bringing into existence something that has never been before... But to form or evolve is to totally use existing materials to "design".

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See how when you cut through the religious mumbo jumbo the Bible defines the issues better than science! How can the ancients have known all of this if they had not had some way to learn it from the creator...

This wisdom surly has the earmarks of the divine...

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Pfft... Looks to me more like you're putting words in other people's mouths.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Pfft... Looks to me more like you're putting words in other people's mouths.

No, I am just letting the integrity of the words speak for themselves (for a change)...

I haven't added or detracted words I have just shown them to you in a different more respectful light.

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You did no such thing. You merely reinterpreted the words of the Bible as according to what you believe, not according to what they say.

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What is really sad is that most clergy think the words made, formed and created are synonymous...

THEY USE THEM INTERCHANGEABLY AND SO DOES SCIENCE...

"I just "created" this new solution or compound"... "God "created" man from the dust of the ground" (Which the Bible does not say.)... News Brief: "Science has "created" in their lab"...

This only goes to show that none of them have tackled the words of the Bible with discipline, integrity and diligence...

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

You did no such thing. You merely reinterpreted the words of the Bible as according to what you believe, not according to what they say.

Prove it...

Quote me some scriptures that logically disprove what I have said... You can use the same book to try to prove me wrong you know...

But I doubt you can do it...

I have known about the Biblical distinctions and implications of made, formed and created for over 20 years...

So I have had the advantage of 20 years to bounce this off of other interested parties...

You have had one day to mull it over...

The Bible can "interpret itself" and that is what I have allowed to happen I have just put forth the case and the words speak for themselves...

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So I will be despised because I have shown that both evolutionists and creationists are both wrong and right.

I knew it was a no win situation but I persevered anyway... for the sake of truth...

I should be given credit for that...

I have no "friends" when it comes to God's word...

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Some are "upset" because I have turned their world upside down...

You get that queazy feeling in your stomach?

But look around and focus... You may realize you are finally upside right...

Peace with God...

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You grant yourself far more credit than others accord your commentary's worth, Rex. Sophistry is as sophistry does, and you do it with aplomb. Not to say you do it well, but you do it with style.

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timberlandko wrote:

You grant yourself far more credit than others accord your commentary's worth, Rex. Sophistry is as sophistry does, and you do it with aplomb. Not to say you do it well, but you do it with style.

Thank you Timber... I think... Smile

I don't really need credit from others, that is vain and egotistical. To God be the glory... Give the credit to God...

I didn't write the book...

I prefer to simply stand acceptable before God...

I need solid rebuttals and arguments yet to date they only reaffirm the truths I have seen and heard.

I am ordained clergy (As you may be able to tell from my retimory of the scriptures.) so I can and do speak with some authority on the subject..

I was a missionary at age 20 and I have never left or doubted the faith since...

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