spendius
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:06 pm
Rex wrote-

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What if all observable physical energy is only a small band of a larger spectrum that we cannot measure with our physical instruments (eyes).


That's a bit mystical Rex.Not that I object.
But "what if" all the legislation had been passed for other reasons that those that were given in the florid speeches.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:09 pm
I do not claim to be a scientist. RR's manure is subject to no analysis, since it is so far out in the realm of fantasy. Fantasies are personal things, which it is ludicrous to suggest one could dissect. Just as ludicrous as the typical gobble-deegook content of RR's posts.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:12 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Rex,
Quote:

There is logical reason to believe this is the case...

Ok, I'd love to hear it.
Let's have it then!


Yes, it is called quantum physics... which "does" suggest other dimensions of physical realities... and there is just as much math to "prove" it as physical relativity...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:14 pm
spendius wrote:
Rex wrote-

Quote:
What if all observable physical energy is only a small band of a larger spectrum that we cannot measure with our physical instruments (eyes).


That's a bit mystical Rex.Not that I object.
But "what if" all the legislation had been passed for other reasons that those that were given in the florid speeches.


Are you suggesting I should have use "perhaps" instead of "what if"? Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:16 pm
Setanta wrote:
I do not claim to be a scientist. RR's manure is subject to no analysis, since it is so far out in the realm of fantasy. Fantasies are personal things, which it is ludicrous to suggest one could dissect. Just as ludicrous as the typical gobble-deegook content of RR's posts.


Set, you can't analyze something with your eyes shut...
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:16 pm
We observe the light spectrum outside our natural vision using scientific instruments. Make sure you later on lots of sun screen or you'll get burnt. Perhaps after your read about Kelvin measurements.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:17 pm
RexRed wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I do not claim to be a scientist. RR's manure is subject to no analysis, since it is so far out in the realm of fantasy. Fantasies are personal things, which it is ludicrous to suggest one could dissect. Just as ludicrous as the typical gobble-deegook content of RR's posts.


Set, you can't analyze something with your eyes shut...


My eyes are wide open, you're the one who dreams and thinks your silly fantasies coincide with reality in any form.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:19 pm
You know, for the last few days, at the hours which would be "pub time" in Merry Old, Spendi has been here posting, apparently rather than go to the local. Do you suppose he got barred? Perhaps it's his friends--the one died and the other left town. At all events, as it's now past midnight in Merry Old, i strongly suspect the boy has been spending the evenings at home, and drunk posting.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:19 pm
Setanta wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I do not claim to be a scientist. RR's manure is subject to no analysis, since it is so far out in the realm of fantasy. Fantasies are personal things, which it is ludicrous to suggest one could dissect. Just as ludicrous as the typical gobble-deegook content of RR's posts.


Set, you can't analyze something with your eyes shut...


My eyes are wide open, you're the one who dreams and thinks your silly fantasies coincide with reality in any form.


Have you ever considered it may be our dreams that are the window to the subconscious? Set, you may not see because you have never dreamed...
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:21 pm
RexRed wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
Rex,
Quote:

There is logical reason to believe this is the case...

Ok, I'd love to hear it.
Let's have it then!


Yes, it is called quantum physics... which "does" suggest other dimensions of physical realities... and there is just as much math to "prove" it as physical relativity...

It is, eh?
Please tell me what element of quantum physics sugests there is a supernatural realm?
And here I thought I was well read!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:21 pm
I dream, and also possess the ability to wake up and distinguish between the vague rubbish of dreams, and the reality which surrounds me. I agree with your speculations about Amerindians, though--mumbo jumbo nonsense postings have very much the aroma of the horseshit the contemporary Indians peddle to the credulous as "wisdom."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:24 pm
Wouldn't quantum physics itself be a "supernatural" realm? See, you are not thinking this stuff out...
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:25 pm
Science: "(A)~(Y) has been observed, tested, and verified. Consequently, to the best acheivable probability, given the currently available data, (Z) is so"

Religion: "(A¹) has been postulated and found comforting, therefore (Z¹)!"

Science: "Who said anything about either (A¹) or (Z¹), and how does an an inherrently untestable postulate equate to an evidence-based logical conclusion?"

Religion: "God. Therefore, there can be no argument."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:28 pm
Setanta wrote:
I dream, and also possess the ability to wake up and distinguish between the vague rubbish of dreams, and the reality which surrounds me. I agree with your speculations about Amerindians, though--mumbo jumbo nonsense postings have very much the aroma of the horseshit the contemporary Indians peddle to the credulous as "wisdom."



Well Set, wisdom comes and is interpreted in many forms and it is not always what is consensual understanding...
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:31 pm
timber wrote-

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and how does an an inherrently untestable postulate equate to an evidence-based logical conclusion?"


When you get your end away a lot due,presumably,to the dreamy state of your eyes.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:35 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Science: "(A)~(Y) has been observed, tested, and verified. Consequently, to the best acheivable probability, given the currently available data, (Z) is so"

Religion: "(A¹) has been postulated and found comforting, therefore (Z¹)!"

Science: "Who said anything about either (A¹) or (Z¹), and how does an an inherrently untestable postulate equate to an evidence-based logical conclusion?"

Religion: "God. Therefore, there can be no argument."


Could you please interpret this into English I would think you were typing in tongues... Smile

Therefore no argument for God? "What if" God exists? Should that not factor into the matrix? Then all the arguments against are rather futile...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:45 pm
I wouldn't mind being a rock on a beach watching the sun rise and set for millions of years...

The rocks are very wise the tell of the earth's history...

They speak from the ground and cry up as gravestones from the past...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 05:54 pm
If you don't see something often, you won't often see it.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 06:20 pm
RexRed,
Do you ride a motorcycle?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 06:21 pm
RexRed wrote:
Could you please interpret this into English I would think you were typing in tongues... Smile

I must infer your reading comprehension is on a par with your grasp of semantics, logic, science, philosophy, and theology.

Quote:
Therefore no argument for God?

Precisely. No objective, forensically sound, academically valid argument may be made for the proposition.

Quote:
"What if" God exists?

"What if" is conjecture not argument. "What if" certainly may be a starting point ... obviously it is and always has been, "What if the earth isn't the center of the universe" being a splendid example. No "What if" ever has developed any evidence for any god, let alone the capricious, moody, mysogynistic curmudgeon postulated through the Abrahamic Mythopaeia; precisely no empirical evidence exists for any such entity, condition, or state of being, a situation which has been in existence from the formation of the concept of deity.


Quote:
Should that not factor into the matrix?

In that there is no no means by which to derive any such factor, the question of "Should" is an absurdity; that which cannot be factored cannot factor.
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Then all the arguments against are rather futile...

Half right - all arguments for and against are futile, as no objective, forensically sound, academically valid argument may be made against the proposition, just as no objective, forensically sound, academically valid argument may be made for the proposition. The proposition is not, cannot be, a factor either way.

I did like your "rock on a beach watching the sun rise and set for millions of years" allusion, though - sorta gave me a mini flashback to the '60s. Been there, done that, a lot, and still have a few tie-died T-shirts. A word of advice - if ever you're walking along the beach and encounter an enormous silver-scaled, fire-breathing, lamp-eyed, winged serpent, don't offer to share your stash with him; you'll never see it or him again. Trust me on that.
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