Evolution? How?

real life wrote:

Your assumption of naturalism is a belief.

I know.

real life wrote:

So you're saying 'my belief (naturalism) is better than your belief (supernaturalism)'.

Not at all. They are both beliefs, equally unsupportable. Mere assumptions.

Science is based on naturalism. Evolution is based on science. Within the realm of science, evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be a fact.

It's clear from you statements above that you believe in the supernatural and credit magic as the cause of all evidence. That's fine, but it's not science.

You can't poke at evolution with a supernatural stick. That's just stupid.

So you are saying that science is based on an unsupportable belief?

I disagree.

To say that science is based on naturalism, is to say that science must pronounce as impossibilities all things that, at least for the present, cannot be naturally observed (and may therefore be considered 'supernatural').

If scientists had shared your position over the last 300 years, we would still be a third world country.

When you see a sundial or a water-clock, you see that it tells the time by design and not by chance. How then can you imagine that the universe as a whole is devoid of purpose and intelligence, when it embraces everything, including these artifacts themselves and their artificers?

Science doesn't declare something impossible just because it can't be quantified, science only says "it doesn't know".

Yes, the creationist has no idea how wonderful it all is, cause he thinks it was all simply magic-ed into place.

One evening, old Herb suffers a stroke. He's rushed to the hospital, given the best of care, but after heroic effort, the doctors are forced to accept there's no more they can do for poor old Herb.

Steeling himself for the task, the lead neurosurgeon sets his shoulders, walks to the waiting room, and stands somberly before Herb's distraught wife. "I'm so very sorry", says the saddened surgeon, "but we've done all we can, and to be honest with you, though Herb's pulse and respiration are strong, I'm afraid he's brain dead"

"Braindead!?!" exclaims Herb's spouse. "You mean to say he's become a Christian?"

RexRed's belief in living rocks has more substance (pun) than evidence or argument for creationism, because although both are superstitions, rocks actually exist, which is far more than can be said for any evidence or argument for creationism.

Our teeth are living rocks...

Rocks are our ancestors...

RexRed wrote:

Our teeth are living rocks...

You mean Golems? My teeth is a golem? Right. That's it then. I'll pluck them out and use them to do my bidding. Mwahahahahahahaha!!!!

Or alternatively, they could be bone with nerve endings inside...

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Rocks are our ancestors...

I must have my sense of sarcasm checked. Sometimes, I really can't tell whether someone is being sarcastic or not.

The fact that we are not scurrying for some nut in a tree and can sit in leisure and discuss God is a wonder in itself...

Rex, rocks, we, and all else material came from the same place; the nuclear furnaces of the first stars, some 13.7BYA, stars which are the ancestors of all stars since; its a cycle, with we and all material about us recycled product. And the matter, then as now largely hydrogen, from which formed the protostars came from the energy released at the moment of the Big Bang.

What if anything preceeded and/or precipitated the Big Bang is immaterial and - at least at present - indecipherable and indeterminable. Some, though not all, of what has come about since has been determined; likely we shall determine far more than have we to this point, far more than even we suspect there to be determined; knowledge expands exponentially, bringing with its clarifications yet further questions and directions of inquiry.