Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 07:39 am
Maybe god built the Dino Park and felt a permit was not needed? After all, he must be a pretty good general contractor, and his son was a carpenter.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 07:45 am
Ats too bad about Hovinds Dinoland. I always thought that, more exposure to alot of this whacko Creationist crap would , by mere weight of presence, be enough so that people would be able to see the obvious. However, by turning him into some Thoreauian like folk hero, he grabs up some unearned respect and credibility.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 08:07 am
There's another Creationist "museum" with a diorama of the Grand Canyon which tries to explain how it was carved out in the big flood. The more we Noah about these guys, the more I don't want to Noah.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 08:17 am
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
I just found out that Dr. Hovind's new museum is having a tough time...

http://www.pandasthumb.org/.../dino_adventure.html


Wow, this Hovind guy is one incredible whacko.

I do hope the Dr.Dino site survives however, it's the most outrageous display of stupidity one the web. Landover Baptist is fun and just as crazy, but it's fake. Dr.Dino is all the better because it's not a parody; really twisted stuff.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 08:19 am
Maybe one of the T Rexs will come to life by some miracle and eat Dr. Hovind, a la "Jurrasic Park". Now that would be an event.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 08:24 am
Listen to this:

Dr.Whacko wrote:

We are not looking to do anything illegal. Ever since 1999, when this property was given to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, we have not knowingly submitted God's church to any lesser authority. Our decision to build without permits from the county was based on our understanding of the Bible and, to a lesser degree, the constitutions of the united States and the State of Florida.


Big mistake. But I'm sure it's not their last.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 08:25 am
They believe that the laws of the land all come out of the Bible but they don't want to abide by them. Sweet.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 08:55 am
This article is from the Answers in Genesis web site:

Arguments creationists should NOT use.

It's interesting that many creationists are still using arguments which creationism HQ no longer sees as valid.

I would like to see a list of AIG approved argumets which SHOULD be used to refute evolution. I'm curious to see what they have left after throwing out so many of their previous arguments.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 09:05 am
A meager attempt to explain their consistant double talk. If they keep going logically and rationally in that direction, they will end up with, guess what -- evolution.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 09:20 am
Lightwizard wrote:
A meager attempt to explain their consistant double talk. If they keep going logically and rationally in that direction, they will end up with, guess what -- evolution.


I know. It's fun watching them get squeezed tighter and tighter into the only choice which ever really existed (short of poofism of course).
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 09:28 am
There like the communist Chinese -- hey, let's try some capitalism in Hong Kong, Shanghai and Singapore. Let's make all of the USA's products, probably including cars in who knows how many years. It's that damned creeping Capitalism again.

The defense is something that has happened in history time and time again. Nobody will notice we knew we were wrong if we just change a shade differently each year.

Of course, if there is one thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 11:58 am
Chumly wrote:
Since you say all things are living and you believe in evolution have you found any fossil records for pencil sharpeners?


What about the atoms that make up all matter including fossils are they living? What proof does science have that atoms do not all breath with life?

Evolution does not take into consideration the role of atoms on evolution... after all atoms have "evolved" in to many forms of "living" matter...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 12:13 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Yes, the image of a rock suddenly sprouting legs and walking around may be the stuff of Disney and it does fit with all their other fantasies.


All living creatures are made from rock/elemental substance... (we have sprouted legs) We are walking rocks... What about the natural selection and symmetry of chemistry happening within "LIFE"...

We have bacteria that eats rock as "food"... What type of nourishment are they getting from simple minerals and atoms?

We eat animals as "food" too I suppose they are not living either... (sarcasm)

Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 12:24 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
Listen to this:

Dr.Whacko wrote:

We are not looking to do anything illegal. Ever since 1999, when this property was given to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, we have not knowingly submitted God's church to any lesser authority. Our decision to build without permits from the county was based on our understanding of the Bible and, to a lesser degree, the constitutions of the united States and the State of Florida.


Big mistake. But I'm sure it's not their last.



I agree...
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 12:48 pm
Now Rex, you're not just being sarcastic but foolish. Rocks are made up of the same atoms but it's a non sequitur to suggest that we are therefore walking rocks. Look at the posts before that -- I was also beings rhetorically sarcastic.

When was the last time you dined on rocks? When was the last time your had a dental appointment?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 12:56 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Since you say all things are living and you believe in evolution have you found any fossil records for pencil sharpeners?


Laughing Good one.

Rex thinks rocks are alive. We covered that little bit of insanity about 400 pages ago on one of these threads.


I was the one who brought it up 400 pages ago... Smile But that was pre history... Smile

Just living waters under the bridge.

Ex 28:21
And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.

Job 5:23 - Show Context
For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.

Job 6:12
Is my strength the strength of stones? or is my flesh of brass

Job 14:19
The waters wear the stones: thou washest away the things which grow out of the dust of the earth; and thou destroyest the hope of man.

Eze 28:16
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

Mt 3:9
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Mt 4:3
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Comment:
Jesus believed stones could cry?

1Pe 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 01:05 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Now Rex, you're not just being sarcastic but foolish. Rocks are made up of the same atoms but it's a non sequitur to suggest that we are therefore walking rocks. Look at the posts before that -- I was also beings rhetorically sarcastic.

When was the last time you dined on rocks? When was the last time your had a dental appointment?



We could not live without metals as trace elements in our bodies...

We could not have evolved without rocks... Atoms move... how do we know that this movement is not some form of life that we do not yet understand.. (just as God)

It takes rocks and chemistry FIRST to facilitate biological evolution...

It is only human ego to ignore that rocks are the substrate for life.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 01:30 pm
It's true that we are evolved from what Carl Sagan referred to as "star stuff," but not literally evolved from rocks. The minerals in seawater were collodial that were used to make the most primordial creature and some of that material would have formed rocks. Lava cooled and formed rocks and these rocks evolved through mixtures of minerals and chemical reactions.

There is no "life" in rocks by any scientific demonstration -- you're hat is made up of atoms that you are talking through.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 01:35 pm
Mixing geology together with biology in some sort of Hungarian goulash may be entertaining to you but I wouldn't take it into a science class if I were you.
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aperson
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 01:39 pm
aperson wrote:
real life wrote:
aperson wrote:
The answer to this topic seems simple to me. How come, even when stacks of evidence are piled up infront of them, some stubborn people still refuse to believe. Like I said earlier, you can believe in God and evolution. Is it possible that Genesis' description of the creation of Earth is metaphorical?


It is possible. I don't think it likely.

Even if it were, that doesn't answer the 'how' of evolution, which is the topic.

Simply stating that something evolved doesn't explain how it did.

Evolution, as stated in my post to Ros, seems to me to be filled with lots of contradictory assumptions.

If you believe that evolution is the process by which life on Earth got to the stage we see it in today, then perhaps you'd like to address the question I asked Ros about.

Most evolutionists, in their more candid moments, will tell you they don't know for sure a lot of the 'hows' of evolution. But they are just sure it happened.

It's a strange position when you think about it.


The "how" of evolution??? Isn't this simple??? Surely educated persons would know this? Please describe the "what" of the "how" we are discussing.


Could someone answer my question?

Living rocks? I don't tiiiiiiink sooooo.
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