real life wrote:I don't know why you would need to 'strongly suggest' that I believe in a young earth when I have said so myself.
I missed that, you have my apologies.
Quote:I don't have an exact date for creation, but I think it can be measured in the thousands not the millions or the billions of years.
You apparently have no evidence, either, or else it would be reasonable to assume that you would answer the question i asked, and provide your evidence for a young earth.
Quote:Now, you ask about a general question regarding circumstantial evidence for creation:
Setanta wrote:What circumstantial evidence can you offer for a creation?
But at the same time, when we have delved into this in the past, you quickly want to limit the scope of the discussion since you are apparently uncomfortable discussing creation except as it relates to the narrow area of biological evolution alone.
That is simply not true. You don't directly provide any evidence for a creation, you are the one who quickly diverts the topic to a discussion of the plausibility of an "old earth," to the alleged
lacunae in the scientific evidence for a theory of evolution. You have never directly answered the question of what evidence you have for a creation. Discussing the plausibility of any other particular assertion of cosmic origins does not constitute evidence for a creation. That is the "you can't prove it ain't so, you can't prove this or that scientific theory, therefore, i get to claim my imaginary friend is the prime mover."
What evidence do you have for a creation? I'm not asking why you claim someone else's cosmic origins argument is implausible, i'm asking you what your evidence for a creation is.
Quote:Discussions of abiogenesis, cosmology etc are certainly related to the question of creation. So it seems you cannot be pleased if one answers your question, or if they don't.
That's a pathetic attempt at a dodge. Discussing abiogenesis provides no evidence that the cosmos were created by a deity. Once again, you attempt to claim that if someone cannot answer to your satisfaction how abiogenesis could occur, you are authorized to assert a creation. That's apples to oranges stuff. If a deity created the cosmos, it were still possible to stipulate a rise of life from an abiotic origin, and it were still possible to stipulate an evolutionary process. You attempt to claim that all is the product of a creation, but provide no evidence that a creation has occurred. "Cosmology etc" is awfully silly of you, as the "etc" refers to canards such as you have tried to advance about the rotational direction of planets. You have continually stated, falsely, that three planets rotate in a direction opposite to that of the other planets. This only true of two of them; Uranus rotates on a path perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic--to know if it rotates in a direction opposite to the other planets, one must arbitrarily determine which is the "north pole" of Uranus--which is a prime example of how you attempt to twist facts.
I don't reget cosmological discussions, i'm calling for one. I'm calling for you to provide evidence that a deity created the cosmos. I'm definitely not calling for you to prove that other theories of cosmological origins are wrong, because that would not prove that your imaginary friend created the cosmos, even if it were true that those theories are wrong--something else which you have failed to prove.
Tell me about it. 802 pages so far. You'd think both sides would have run out of steam by now, but noooo....
