Evolution? How?

Intrepid, What kind of world do you live in? Your isolation is showing. LOL

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cicerone imposter wrote:

neo, We're talkikng about the command from the bible lord commanding the killing of every male child and woman child that have layed with a man. Then he says, you can keep the woman child for yourself.

In contemporary parlance, that's what we call mass murder with no justification.

You may rationalize it any way you please, but anyone with a conscience should know better.

Every human since Adam and Eve is or has been under the sentence of death. In the grand scheme of things, does it make any difference how they die?

I know you will wish to revile God for this consequence, and ask why He would punish billions of people for the sins of a pair. Well consider this: God certainly had the right to destroy Adam and Eve (and Satan, BTW) before they could bear children, but then you and I would never have been born - would never have the opportunity to choose for ourselves whether we agree with Satan's lie and Adam and Eve's decision.

Should God have destroyed the rebels and started over? That would have demonstrated God's power; but God's power was never in question. Among the issues raised by Satan were God's right to rule and the integrity of those creatures having free will.

When I go back in time to before I met my wife, I sometimes think 'well if I had no children, my daughters would not have had to endure the deaths of their children'. Do you think for a minute I would erase the decision to become a father? So, instead of caterwauling over the terrible consequences of Adam's sin, should we not be encouraged that God has promised to set everything straight? (Micah 4:3; Hebrews 9:10)

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Even your explanation about "sentence of death" does not justify wholesale killing of people - especially innocent children. If they are sinners, shouldn't they be given the opportunity to learn about your bible god to live by his rules? Or, does god already know they are sinners so he gave them all a death sentence early in their life. You say you're a born again christian? If you were slaughtered early in your life like those children, what makes you think your chance at "reborn" is any better?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

. . . If they are sinners, shouldn't they be given the opportunity to learn about your bible god to live by his rules? . . .

Absolutely right and promised in John 5:28.

cicerone imposter wrote:

You say you're a born again christian?

No, I'm not.

cicerone imposter wrote:

If you were slaughtered early in your life like those children, what makes you think your chance at "reborn" is any better?

OK, you've provoked my 'survivor's guilt', now what? Perhaps I should use what time I have been given to help others understand. . . ?

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neo, I'm not making you feel guilty about anything; only your personal belief can do that. I'm just trying to show the illogical nature of the bible god. I don't have any hangups about "all sinners must die." We will all die - sooner or later. As is the power of nature, some die before they are born, and some not long after they are born. It has to do with the health of the parents, the environment, and natural causes. It has absolutely nothing to do with your bible god.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Intrepid, What kind of world do you live in? Your isolation is showing. LOL

Care to elaborate/explain?

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Elaboration not needed - by most people that understand English.

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neologist wrote:

Every human since Adam and Eve is or has been under the sentence of death...

Have you ever considered the possibility that Adam and Eve never existed. That the God of the bible is too much of a characature of humanity to be taken seriously. That the whole ridiculous story is just that... A STORY.

Let's face it, the physical world of the bible does not match up with reality as we understand it. The stories of the bible just reek of human angst, inadequacy and fear. The whole thing is laced with the politics of coersion both subtle and gross. It's illogical, irratoinal, hypocritical and riddled with contradiction. In every way, it demonstrates itself to be a man-made, non-godly work of fiction.

And listen to the message you take from it, "we have all sinned, and every human since Adam and Eve is under a death sentence..." unless we believe with total faith and without question, that which the bible tells us. Only then can we be "saved". That is the epitome of coersion through fear. And it is obviously very effective.

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rosborne979 wrote:

neologist wrote:
Every human since Adam and Eve is or has been under the sentence of death...

Have you ever considered the possibility that Adam and Eve never existed.

Yes. Your point? And do you know any human who does not face eventual death?

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That the bible states that everybody faces death proves what, exactly?

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Benjamin Franklin:

Nothing in life is certain except death and taxes.

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C.I.,

In my opinion, and my opinion only, it seems as you have no concept of God whatsoever.

Do you not understand that He created us and we did not create Him? Do you not understand that He could do whatever He wanted to do without explaining anything to you?

Do you understand that He has the power and authority to do anything He wants to do to you or anyone else right now?

Do you not understand that He provided a way of salvation for us? He didn't have to. Still doesn't. But He did and He promised us and He does not break His promises.

Do you understand C.I. that in your questioning God the way you do, the way you want Him to prove Himself to you, is the same thing as putting yourself on His level?

IMO you understand none of these things. If you do not understand these simple things, you will never know Him. You can't know Him if you put yourself above Him.

I realize that the non-believers can't fathom why the believers believe, no matter how many times or how many ways we try to explain it to you.

You always go back to the same verses in the OT, totally ignoring anything we have told you.

And that last post of yours (the Benjamin Franklin one about death and taxes) proves my point. You would accept the word of a man you have never met and can only read about over the word of God.

Simply amazes me. :blink:

Neo, I was so happy you gave us your list of smileys! But, as you can see, it didn't work for me. What did I do wrong?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Elaboration not needed - by most people that understand English.

OK.. I am stupid and incapable of understanding your English. Please provide the explanation.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

neo, I'm not making you feel guilty about anything; only your personal belief can do that. I'm just trying to show the illogical nature of the bible god. I don't have any hangups about "all sinners must die." We will all die - sooner or later. As is the power of nature, some die before they are born, and some not long after they are born. It has to do with the health of the parents, the environment, and natural causes. It has absolutely nothing to do with your bible god.

You are talking about physical death and ignoring spiritual death.

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Many who die on this planet do not believe in any religion, and therefore, spiritual death is an oxymoron.

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neologist wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
neologist wrote:
Every human since Adam and Eve is or has been under the sentence of death...

Have you ever considered the possibility that Adam and Eve never existed.
Yes. Your point?

That they never existed.

And that all the fears christians have about sin and guilt are just aspects of their own personalities which are being played upon by the collective authors of an ancient superstition.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Many who die on this planet do not believe in any religion, and therefore, spiritual death is an oxymoron.

Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death, is the separation of the soul from God.

The fact that someone does not believe in religion puts him in the spiritual death category. Just because someone does not believe does not make it so.

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