Evolution? How?

Come on, take a crack at this one:

Okay, you bible-thumpers, rationalize the following demand from your god?

mesquite wrote:
It is the Basis of a religion purported to be the word of God. Numbers 31 begins with

1. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

and goes on to say

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Thirty-two thousand was the count of female virgin children in the above scripture.

35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

Numbers 31

And praytell, what did god have in mind with these virgin women children?

And how were they supposed to learn that man did not lay with them?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

That you bible-thumpers would put your whole faith in a comic book is about as ignorant as one can be. LOL

I really can't fault you for your disgust with the religious hypocrisy so widespread in the world today. I had the same opinion. The only difference so far between you and me is that one day I sat down with a friend who challenged my disbelief.

At first I went along with him because he was a friend and I didn't want to offend him; but I honestly did want to understand his point of view. When I found out that I had been fed a swimming pool full of B.S. about the bible by all the preachers in my life, I began to see the real truth.

One of these days I hope you will, just for the sake of courtesy, pay attention to the arguments presented. Even if you don't become a believer, you will at least learn what the bible actually teaches. It would, at the very least, hone your argument.

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Kill all the boyz and keep all the goils. Wow, a wonderful god you guys have.

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No need to shout!
You've been given the answer to this. Did you ignore it?

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Well, neo, when I look at history and see how religion has been the cause of so much suffering, I don't understand the benefits.

Bush claims god told him to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. He's responsible for the killing of 100,000 innocent Iraqis. He's responsible for killing innocent men, women, and children. He's the same man who said "every life is precious." That's not only an oxymoron, he's a repulsive human.

Show me any human that has humanity. I don't give a shet if he's religious or not.

This president and administration have used religion to win votes and push their religious agenda. We are supposed to be a secular country. That is now changed forever. For that, I am very angry.

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I missesd the answer to this. Please repost it. Unless I see the answer, I will continue to repost mine until I see the answer.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Well, neo, when I look at history and see how religion has been the cause of so much suffering, I don't understand the benefits.

Bush claims god told him to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. He's responsible for the killing of 100,000 innocent Iraqis. He's responsible for killing innocent men, women, and children. He's the same man who said "every life is precious." That's not only an oxymoron, he's a repulsive human.

Show me any human that has humanity. I don't give a shet if he's religious or not.

This president and administration have used religion to win votes and push their religious agenda. We are supposed to be a secular country. That is now changed forever. For that, I am very angry.

It would be well to point out that when the crowds tried to make Jesus a king, he went away from them. When Pilate aked him if he was a king, he answered "My kingdom is no part of this world."
You may remember one of my favorite quotes comes from Denis Diderot:

Quote:

Mankind will never truly be free until the last king has been strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

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I don't give a flying leap about the bible jesus. I'm talking about religion as a cancer for humans, and what our christian president has done to Iraqis and to our country.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I missesd the answer to this. Please repost it. Unless I see the answer, I will continue to repost mine until I see the answer.

It's buried about 100 pages back and probably in another thread. Naturally, I was subject to much reviling by Frank, but here goes the one minute summary:

If Adam and Eve had never sinned, we would have never seen in our history any wars or killings, any crime or sickness or oppression. The entire history of the Jews, including their (seemingly impossible) law was both a consequence of the Edenic rebellion and a lesson for us about how God views sin.

Jesus' sacrifice after leading a perfect human life made the law obsolete. It also provided a guarantee for all who suffered without knowing God, (the majority of mankind, to be sure) that they would be entitled to a resurrection during which they would be allowed a chance to experience the life that Adam and Eve lost.

Now it may seem to us an interminable and inexplicably painful consequence for so small a sin as eating from a tree, but if we study the situation closely, we will learn that is not the case, for more is at stake than human survival and happiness. As for what that is, tune in another time

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't give a flying leap about the bible jesus. I'm talking about religion as a cancer for humans, and what our christian president has done to Iraqis and to our country.

You probably think religion should be banned. You are not alone. Check this out.

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Your answer doesn't answer this:

1. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

and goes on to say

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Thirty-two thousand was the count of female virgin children in the above scripture.

35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

Numbers 31

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't give a flying leap about the bible jesus. I'm talking about religion as a cancer for humans, and what our christian president has done to Iraqis and to our country.

It is indeed sad that you blame Christianity and, indeed, Christians for what it is that you find as a fault in your President. Were Christians responsible for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour? Were Christians responsible for the civil war in the U.S.? Are Christians responsible for every little thing that you disagree with? If you don't give a flying leap, why do you continue to hang out in religious forums? Is it to learn or is it to attack Christians at every opportunity. You insist that your questions be answered, but when you are proven to be wrong you will not admit to it or give a response when asked. All you do is find what is wrong in the world today and what you deem to be wrong in the bible of yesterday.
You are, indeed, a lost soul.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I missesd the answer to this. Please repost it. Unless I see the answer, I will continue to repost mine until I see the answer.

You continue to post this nonsense while ignoring the posts of others who have asked you for answers to questions that have been posed. You missed the answer to this because you did not see the answer that you wanted to see.

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Well, yes, Christians were responsible for the Civil War in the U.S.

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really, what do you think Jeff Davis and Bobby Lee and Honest Abe were? Buddhists?

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Seriously, the church in the South generally argued that slavery was god's plan for the African, so whites could uplift him and civilize him (yes, that's what they said). Very similar to the Dutch Reformed Church in apartheid-era South Africa.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Your answer doesn't answer this:

1. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

and goes on to say

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Thirty-two thousand was the count of female virgin children in the above scripture.

35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

Numbers 31

Well, yeah, actually I did.
Consider the practices of the nations the Jews dispossessed. If you are not offended by their use of male and female prostitution in their worship, perhaps you would be offended by their practice of child sacrifice.

Now, I'm a live and let live sort of guy. If folks want to spread their legs for their god, who am I to stop them? You know? And murdering their kids? Well, maybe we should just punish the priests. But God viewed things differently. He knew the only way to emphasize his disgust with their religions was to efface them from the land.

Of course, this seems harsh to us. But consider this: All those who unwittingly succumbed to murder by priest or to death from the Jews, those who never knew God, have been promised a resurrection. (John 5:28)

I don't know about you, CI, but after nearly 70 years of seeing all the misery of this world, I am rubbed pretty raw. I've seen so many family members die, including two infant grandsons. Yet I know many have suffered far worse. I can hardly imagine what it would be like to experience the promise God has held out to us, but I truly believe that if I were to live a few hundred years under the conditions Adam and Eve lost, I would probably not think much about the pain of my first 70 or 80 years. The same probably applies to any one else who might have that same experience.

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neo, We're talkikng about the command from the bible lord commanding the killing of every male child and woman child that have layed with a man. Then he says, you can keep the woman child for yourself.

In contemporary parlance, that's what we call mass murder with no justification.

You may rationalize it any way you please, but anyone with a conscience should know better.

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Intrepid, Japan was a country with no raw material of its own, and the US imposed an embargo. It had nothing to do with "religion." That Japan was stupid enough to attack Pearl Harbor speaks for itself; they committed ritual harakiri as soon as they attacked the US.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Intrepid, Japan was a country with no raw material of its own, and the US imposed an embargo. It had nothing to do with "religion." That Japan was stupid enough to attack Pearl Harbor speaks for itself; they committed ritual harakiri as soon as they attacked the US.

Well, finally something that you disagree with that has nothing to do with religion. And they said it wasn't possible.

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