Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:27 pm
Mesquite,

Thank you for your response. It does help. I remember one time when my family was at my grandparents' for Christmas like we all were. Some of us were getting old enough to start questioning about Santa Claus. Well, grandpa dressed up like Santa Claus (all the kids were in the basement playing) and all of sudden Santa Claus came running down the stairs and my dad almost caught him! I didn't find out who it was for about another year!
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:42 pm
Thanks MA, One more question. What would it take to get you to believe in Santa Clause again?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:44 pm
Well, since I definitely know that Santa Claus does not exist, I would say nothing could ever make me believe in him again.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:46 pm
That is pretty much the way it is with me and the Bible. Does that help you understand any better?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:50 pm
I understand what you are saying, Mesquite.

But to be perfectly clear, you know that God does not exist? I am not talking about the strictest definition of the word know, here. In your heart, I mean (figuratively), you know He does not exist?
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Questioner
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:52 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
I understand what you are saying, Mesquite.

But to be perfectly clear, you know that God does not exist? I am not talking about the strictest definition of the word know, here. In your heart, I mean (figuratively), you know He does not exist?


Heh. I love the way you're being so careful with the word "Know". It's almost like you're. . . . gunshy? Very Happy
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 05:04 pm
Questioner,

Laughing Gun shy? Perhaps a bit. But, I do realize that for some know means one thing and for some it means another. Laughing
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 05:12 pm
MA, I did not say God as in a generic God. I said Bible and you can conclude if you wish that yes, I know that Biblegod does not exist, just as you know that Santa Clause does not exist. I think that is a reasonable use of the word "know" in equivalent contexts.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 05:15 pm
Gotcha! Thanx so much for being so honest with me, Mesquite.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 05:21 pm
You are welcome, no problem.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 07:08 pm
Interesting site and reports

http://www.halos.com/

http://www.halos.com/reports/index.htm

Briefly, if you haven't time to read it all, Gentry claims that polonium halos left by radioactive particles (in evidence in granite in various places around the world) must have been formed quickly due to it's short half life (about three minutes).

However, evolutionists insist that these rocks formed and cooled slowly over long periods of time.

Interesting paradox.
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pyedogpuck
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:54 pm
I know you are a creationist, but you can read..., right???
It is utterly UNBELIEVABLE that a conversation about creationism is being had in 2005. There was a guy talking about creationism and dogs on an island and blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest! First of all how can you, dog island guy, be taken seriously when you don't even understand what is being discussed? Evolution is why we are here. Dogs of different breeds interbreeding does not change their species. Here are some more controversial ones for ya; water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius, 1 + 1 = 2, and the professional wrestling ain't real! Sorry, but it IS that obvious. Evolution happens over millions and millions, and BILLIONS of years, not over a long weekend. A lemur doesn't go in on Friday and come out Monday morning a human. Stalactites and stalagmites evolve over billions of water drops. Unfortunately our wee little brains don't function over such fields of time and we prefer framing our reality in comfy terms. Sorry, you are born alone and die alone and there is no meaning. Well actually there is but it requires faith in MATH and nothing else. If you really must ponder a metaphysical-who-done-it at least think about WHY there was a Big-Bang. Now THAT is some interesting stuff!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 10:14 pm
pyedogpuck, Welcome to a2k. Your first post is a whiz-banger, and I enjoyed reading it. Hope to see you around on more forums. Wink
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 10:21 pm
Pyedogduck Wrote:

Quote:
It is utterly UNBELIEVABLE that a conversation about creationism is being had in 2005. There was a guy talking about creationism and dogs on an island and blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest! First of all how can you, dog island guy, be taken seriously when you don't even understand what is being discussed? Evolution is why we are here. Dogs of different breeds interbreeding does not change their species. Here are some more controversial ones for ya; water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius, 1 + 1 = 2, and the professional wrestling ain't real! Sorry, but it IS that obvious. Evolution happens over millions and millions, and BILLIONS of years, not over a long weekend. A lemur doesn't go in on Friday and come out Monday morning a human. Stalactites and stalagmites evolve over billions of water drops. Unfortunately our wee little brains don't function over such fields of time and we prefer framing our reality in comfy terms. Sorry, you are born alone and die alone and there is no meaning. Well actually there is but it requires faith in MATH and nothing else. If you really must ponder a metaphysical-who-done-it at least think about WHY there was a Big-Bang. Now THAT is some interesting stuff!


You sound like you have all the answers. Can you give us some proof of the born alone and die alone thing? I was not born alone.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 11:20 pm
Re: I know you are a creationist, but you can read..., right
pyedogpuck wrote:
Stalactites and stalagmites evolve over billions of water drops. Unfortunately our wee little brains don't function over such fields of time and we prefer framing our reality in comfy terms.


Um......sure about that?

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/speleotherms-stalagmites-stalactites.htm

Interesting pics
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 12:06 am
Nice one pyedogpuck !

But I think you'll find that perfectly obvious common sense and basic scientific facts won't help you none when you have to face your maker and explain why you is a filthy heathen!!



(Please read with tongue planted firmly in cheek)
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 03:34 pm
But basic scientific facts and common sense can help us draw reasonable conclusions about the world in which we live this present life.

Basic verifiable scientific fact: Stalactites and stalagmites can form in a matter of a few years.

Neither millions, nor thousands, nor even hundreds of years are required.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 03:38 pm
real life wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
All that the Theory of Evolution says is:

1. On the average, animals better suited to their environment tend to survive longer and have more chance to produce offspring.
2. Every now and then a new trait is introduced by accident, almost always for the worse, but occasionally for the better.
3. The consequence of (1) and (2) above is that in huge populations over eons, there is a gradual trend towards greater functionality.

Which part of this don't you agree with? It's almost self-evident, once stated.


Ah, Brandon. If only it were that benign.

Evolution postulates much more, as you are aware.

Far from the modest claim of "greater functionality" , evolutionists claim that one creature develops into a whole different creature, given enough time.

There is nothing more to evolution than what I stated.

These changes can become great over time. When enough time has passed that the improvements in a species make it quite a bit different, it is reasonable to call it a new species. It's just a reasonable definition.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 03:39 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
What is so hard to grasp about the fact that we were created as human beings? I am having the hardest time understanding why anyone would have a problem with that.

I have no problem with grasping it. Just give me some evidence that it's true. What's so hard to grasp about that?
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 03:53 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
real life wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
All that the Theory of Evolution says is:

1. On the average, animals better suited to their environment tend to survive longer and have more chance to produce offspring.
2. Every now and then a new trait is introduced by accident, almost always for the worse, but occasionally for the better.
3. The consequence of (1) and (2) above is that in huge populations over eons, there is a gradual trend towards greater functionality.

Which part of this don't you agree with? It's almost self-evident, once stated.


Ah, Brandon. If only it were that benign.

Evolution postulates much more, as you are aware.

Far from the modest claim of "greater functionality" , evolutionists claim that one creature develops into a whole different creature, given enough time.

There is nothing more to evolution than what I stated.

These changes can become great over time. When enough time has passed that the improvements in a species make it quite a bit different, it is reasonable to call it a new species. It's just a reasonable definition.


In wide-eyed innocence again, Brandon, you softpedal.

If two reptiles exhibit a few different characteristics, and on that basis taxonomists want for definition sake to call one reptile something different , a new "species" of reptile is born.

The idea that a reptile developed into a bird, for instance, is something altogether different.

When you whisper:

Quote:
These changes can become great over time
(emphasis mine)

then, you again try to minimize the import of your own position because evolution insists not only the possibility, but the DEFINITE occurence on numerous occasions that one creature supposedly did develop into a completely different creature.

Why are you trying to softsoap the evolutionary position?
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