Evolution? How?

I'm not god directing its followers to follow my laws. There is no need for me to clarify what I say to differentiate them as literal or symbolic. Most of what I say is an opinion born of my personal subjective experience. I don't say "thou shalt not kill," then go ahead and kill radomly like the bible god. My opinions are just opinions, not laws for anybody else to live by.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not god directing its followers to follow my laws. There is no need for me to clarify what I say to differentiate them as literal or symbolic. Most of what I say is an opinion born of my personal subjective experience. I don't say "thou shalt not kill," then go ahead and kill radomly like the bible god. My opinions are just opinions, not laws for anybody else to live by.

C.I.,

Well, at least you got part of that right. You ARE NOT God.

God does not kill anyone randomly. I love how you just pick and choose which words to use. You accuse the believers of doing it and then you do it! And, I am grateful that they are just your opinions, because I am not sure I could live with myself if I felt the way you do. I am not trying to be critical or nasty here, C.I. I truly am not. I just find your take on things rather cynical and there just doesn't seem to be much love that flows from you. Now, I realize that I only have these threads to go by, but I can't help but feel that if you can treat strangers in such a way, how do you treat your friends?

I just have a hard time understanding you.

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If not killing all Egyptian first borns is not random, I don't know what is.

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Cicerone Imposter:

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If not killing all Egyptian first borns is not random, I don't know what is.

Actually, I would call that pretty selective.

From Merriam-Webster:

random: - at random : without definite aim, direction, rule, or method

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not god directing its followers to follow my laws. There is no need for me to clarify what I say to differentiate them as literal or symbolic. Most of what I say is an opinion born of my personal subjective experience. I don't say "thou shalt not kill," then go ahead and kill radomly like the bible god. My opinions are just opinions, not laws for anybody else to live by.

So if God is trying to get you to understand something, what do you think is the best way:

a) to speak in a way that you are accustomed to hearing and using in everyday communication, using figures of speech as well as literal terms.

b) to speak in a way that you are NOT accustomed to.

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I don't need to make clarifications for people who believe in the bible. As its been determined by the chrisitans on these boards, you can interpret them any way you please. I'm not a christian, so my understanding of the bible is a fictional book like any comic book although in a special language that uses a whole lot of "thou shalt not...."

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't need to make clarifications for people who believe in the bible. As its been determined by the chrisitans on these boards, you can interpret them any way you please. I'm not a christian, so my understanding of the bible is a fictional book like any comic book although in a special language that uses a whole lot of "thou shalt not...."

Well C.I.,

Again, you dodge straightforward questions. Yet, you do not hesitate to poke jabs about the Bible in there and practically demand an answer from us.

And then I am accused of verbally abusing you because I asked how can we be expected to take you seriously.

C.I., if you know everything, you learn nothing. If you know much, you learn little. If you know little, you learn much. There is nothing wrong with answering questions. There is nothing wrong with admitting you might make a mistake. We all make mistakes. We all use the wrong words at times.

Your refusal to answer questions put straight to you speaks louder than any answer you might want to offer. And, I am afraid the answer I take your silence to mean is not the answer you might have voiced if you would have chosen to answer it.

These are some of the reasons I am having a hard time understanding you.

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MA, Can you remember this? I am retired. I don't need to learn new tricks or skills to find employment. I is what I is. Wink

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cicerone imposter wrote:

MA, Can you remember this? I am retired. I don't need to learn new tricks or skills to find employment. I is what I is.

C.I.,

I realize you are retired. But since when is learning just about finding employment?

You retired from employment. You didn't retire from learning, did you?

And C.I., the statement, "I is what I is." is probably what I consider to be one of the biggest cop outs in life. So, you can't be any better at ANYTHING? You are content to stay just 'as you is'? I find that very sad that anyone would think they don't need to keep trying to learn. Very sad indeed.

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My learning is definitely gained through some forums on a2k, and for this I am thankful.

You're projecting again with: "...is probably what I consier to be one of the biggest cop outs in life..."

My life is rich and rewarding, prolly much better than yours. I have friends all around this world; not many can claim the same. We have no money worries; not many can claim the same. I have good health; not many can claim the same. I have a good family and friends; not many can claim the same. You really don't know anything about me to suggest that I cop out on life. That's the reason I do not respond to many of your posts.

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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My learning is definitely gained through some forums on a2k, and for this I am thankful.

You're projecting again with: "...is probably what I consier to be one of the biggest cop outs in life..."

My life is rich and rewarding, prolly much better than yours. I have friends all around this world; not many can claim the same. We have no money worries; not many can claim the same. I have good health; not many can claim the same. I have a good family and friends; not many can claim the same. You really don't know anything about me to suggest that I cop out on life. That's the reason I do not respond to many of your posts.

C.I.,

I gave you MY OPINION. Nothing more, nothing less. I was projecting nothing. I told you all I have to go by are your posts. They are extremely confusing and conflicting to me. I ask you questions to get clarification and you refuse to answer me. I am not criticizing you or trying to belittle you in any way. I am trying very hard to understand where you are coming from.

Is this what you would call projection?

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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My life is rich and rewarding, prolly much better than yours.

I am happy that you have a rich and rewarding life. I truly am. It is what I wish for the whole world.

Can you not see how some things you post may be conflicting and confusing if you do not provide clarification when asked for?

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All that the Theory of Evolution says is:

1. On the average, animals better suited to their environment tend to survive longer and have more chance to produce offspring.
2. Every now and then a new trait is introduced by accident, almost always for the worse, but occasionally for the better.
3. The consequence of (1) and (2) above is that in huge populations over eons, there is a gradual trend towards greater functionality.

Which part of this don't you agree with? It's almost self-evident, once stated.

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Brandon,

Thank you for putting that so simply. I don't have a problem with what you stated.

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Brandon9000 wrote:

All that the Theory of Evolution says is:

1. On the average, animals better suited to their environment tend to survive longer and have more chance to produce offspring.
2. Every now and then a new trait is introduced by accident, almost always for the worse, but occasionally for the better.
3. The consequence of (1) and (2) above is that in huge populations over eons, there is a gradual trend towards greater functionality.

Which part of this don't you agree with? It's almost self-evident, once stated.

Ah, Brandon. If only it were that benign.

Evolution postulates much more, as you are aware.

Far from the modest claim of "greater functionality" , evolutionists claim that one creature develops into a whole different creature, given enough time.

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And that is the part, Real Life, that I do have a problem with. If it were only as Brandon stated, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

But, this thing about man evolving from monkeys just doesn't cut it for me.

What is so hard to grasp about the fact that we were created as human beings? I am having the hardest time understanding why anyone would have a problem with that. I don't understand all the science of this stuff, I admit. But, I am amazed at what the "behind the scene" reason for wanting to believe we were not created. I hope that made sense. I would appreciate it if someone could tell me their reason for either not wanting to believe it or just plain not believing it.

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MA,

Man did not evolve from monkeys. Apes and human beings share a common ancestor. That common ancestor is now extinct. 99% of all organisms that have appeared on earth are now extinct.

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wandeljw wrote:

MA,

Man did not evolve from monkeys. Apes and human beings share a common ancestor. That common ancestor is now extinct. 99% of all organisms that have appeared on earth are now extinct.

wandeljw,

LOL. I know that. I guess I should have said (not literally) in there.

So, when anyone reads that sentence, please pretend there is a smiley face there!

Hardest thing about posting sometimes, you can't get your body language, and tone on paper sometimes! I admire the heck out of those that can do that though!

I really do appreciate you posting that back to me though wandeljw. You did it with clarity and tact. I do appreciate that!

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Momma Angel wrote:

wandeljw wrote:
MA,

Man did not evolve from monkeys. Apes and human beings share a common ancestor. That common ancestor is now extinct. 99% of all organisms that have appeared on earth are now extinct.

wandeljw,

LOL. I know that. I guess I should have said (not literally) in there.

So, when anyone reads that sentence, please pretend there is a smiley face there!

Hardest thing about posting sometimes, you can't get your body language, and tone on paper sometimes! I admire the heck out of those that can do that though!

I really do appreciate you posting that back to me though wandeljw. You did it with clarity and tact. I do appreciate that!

Should there be a smiley face in this one too?

Momma Angel wrote:

What is so hard to grasp about the fact that we were created as human beings? I am having the hardest time understanding why anyone would have a problem with that. I don't understand all the science of this stuff, I admit. But, I am amazed at what the "behind the scene" reason for wanting to believe we were not created. I hope that made sense. I would appreciate it if someone could tell me their reason for either not wanting to believe it or just plain not believing it.

To answer your question, what makes poofism hard to grasp is the fossil record, DNA evidence, the archaeologic record, the geologic record just for starters. All point toward evolution from common ancestors.

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Mesquite,

No. No smiley face. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or anything. Just honest.

And I understand that answer. I think it's my question that is the problem. Let's see, let me try this. What is it about you (or anyone that would like to answer this) that makes you decide you want proof, etc. I have seen it posted many times from different posters that they feel believers need to have a God for one reason or another. I can't put an exact quote so that just kind of paraphrases it.

If you need further clarification on my question, just let me know. Perhaps I can get it out the way I mean it. And yes, smiley face here! In a good way!

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MA,

Why do I want proof? I am just naturally curious. For as long as I can remember I have taken things apart to see how they worked and put them back together.

Let me ask you this. Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy, or Santa Clause, or the Easter Bunny? If not why not? Would you need proof to do so.

For me there is very little difference in the way I see the Bible and the above.

There was a time when I believed in the Easter Bunny. In fact I was sure I had caught him. My parents helped me set up a trap and the next morning there he was all beautiful and white and fluffy. I cannot remember the exact moment when I realized it was not the real Easter Bunny and there was no Easter Bunny. It was just a part of growing up.

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