Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 05:54 pm
xingu wrote:
Actually, I think it's sad. It goes to show the pure nonsense some overly religious people will believe. It's as true today as a thousand years ago.

xingu,

What is it you find sad? The fact that someone wrote something like that or the fact that someone thinks it is funny or the fact that some would find it offensive?
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 06:00 pm
That people actually believed that and made money off of it. There are people today who buy relics and use them to protect themselves.

Christianity today is not much different from ancient paganism; its believers believing anything, no matter how ridiculous, that will give them the edge and prevent disaster from falling on them.

As for someone writing that; it's called history. This isn't a made-up story.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 06:06 pm
xingu wrote:
That people actually believed that and made money off of it. There are people today who buy relics and use them to protect themselves.

Christianity today is not much different from ancient paganism; its believers believing anything, no matter how ridiculous, that will give them the edge and prevent disaster from falling on them.

As for someone writing that; it's called history. This isn't a made-up story.

Well, I'd like to know just where in history that was documented?

I understand anyone being appalled that anyone would try to make money off such. I understand people being appalled at those that would kill thousands in the name of God.

However, what I don't understand is why it is not understood that all believers are not alike? Are all Afro-Americans alike? No. Are all whites alike? No. Are all Muslims alike? No.

And that is the first time in my entire life I have ever heard anyone speaking of Christ's foreskin.

I do not practice paganism in any way and I think that is a pretty wide brush you are using to paint Christians.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 06:15 pm
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And that is the first time in my entire life I have ever heard anyone speaking of Christ's foreskin.


Do you think you know everything and if you had not heard of it or believe in it then it must not be true?

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I do not practice paganism in any way and I think that is a pretty wide brush you are using to paint Christians.


Christians and all of those who put religious dogma over reason. It's not exclusively Christians.

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Well, I'd like to know just where in history that was documented?


Here's another article on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce


Bed time for me. Good night.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 06:21 pm
xingu Wrote:

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Do you think you know everything and if you had not heard of it or believe in it then it must not be true?


I don't understand why you said that. I just made a statement that I had never heard it before. That has nothing to do with whether I think it's true or not.

xingu Wrote:

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Christians and all of those who put religious dogma over reason. It's not exclusively Christians.


We are to use reason and discernment and yes, there are those that do not and carry things to extremes.

xingu Wrote:

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Bed time for me. Good night.


Sleep well.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 07:28 pm
MA, relics are popular with many Catholics. IMO they are often a scam. such as this recent tour through Arizona of crucifixion relics.

Crucifixion relics set for 3-day state tour

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The exhibit is part of a six-state tour that will take place during Lent. The eight relics include what are believed to be remains from Jesus' crown of thorns, a piece of exterior wrapping from the Shroud of Turin that some say was Jesus' burial sheet, and a sliver from the cross used to crucify him.

A replica of one of the nails used to hang Christ on the cross also will be part of the display. Though it's not an actual nail used in the crucifixion, organizers say it's made from shavings of some nails that were.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 07:31 pm
Mesquite,

Just as I believe the Garden of Eden no longer exists on this earth, I am more inclined to believe that relics such as these are not truly what some say they are. I could be wrong, of course, but that is just my take.

And yes, I agree with you, quite a few are a scam. And that is so sad.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 07:43 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
That is toooooo funny!


You are easily amused.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:00 pm
Yeah. That's what I like about a2k. It amuses...more than it bores.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:47 pm
Yup, not too many boors here ;-)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:53 pm
But boars and bears and beers we have. Wink
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:07 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Questioner wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
real life wrote:
It would seem a little odd if I said that the only way I would believe in the existence of sound is if I could smell it.

Or that I would not believe that light exists unless I could taste it.

You state that you will not believe in a transcendent Being such as God unless you have empirical evidence. Seems a little odd.

I will not believe that a fact is true unless I have an indication that it is true. Having the being show himself would certainly be sufficient. Failing that, I will only accept evidence that comes from reason.


This may seem slightly pendantic, but start with "What was there before the Big Bang" and see where you end up. Not saying anything will be different in your mind, merely stressing that "evidence" isn't always empirical and as such, can sometimes be no more than a good guess.

As for having the being show itself. . . if only it were that easy. Confused

Having two degrees in Physics, I know enough to know that the dynamics of the Big Bang, the first second of existence of the cosmos, the prior cause of the Big Bang, etc. are not beyond human grasp, and that this is an active field of research in theoretical Physics. I believe this is the provice of Quantum Electrodynamics. However, even were this not true, the fact that a scientific explanation for something is temporarily unknown, as the causes of thunder and lightning once were, or even too complex for the human mind to understand, is no indication that the explanation is supernatural. You are advocating one theory of the structure of the universe, and no frameork for understanding these things except science is capable of successful verification as a method when tested.


According to your understanding of the Big Bang, where did the matter and energy involved in the event come from?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:11 pm
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According to your understanding of the Big Bang, where did the matter and energy involved in the event come from?

I have yet to see an answer to this question. Perhaps Brandon, with 2 degrees, can finally provide the answer to this age old question.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:27 pm
You are asking a question that has no answer - yet. However, there is evidence that our universe is in an expansion that supports the big bang theory.

You must realize that this planet is billions of years old. Our science and technology about our universe is a recent phenomenon. The astronomers that first studied the galaxies didn't have the instruments we have at our disposal today.

You can continue to ask foolish questions you know are not answerable today, but most scientists/physicists of today agree on the big bang theory.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:33 pm
farmerman wrote:
I remember one time in a small town in the coal regions of PA, the Blessed Mother appeared on the side of a refrigerator. Crowds came from all over, and the near by church (and I swear to , uhhhm... my dog ERnie) that they were selling water kept in the frig. The priest would bless it and theyd sell it to the crowds. I hadda go with my parents to see the Holy Kenmore with the Virgin MAry reflected on its side.

It was about then that I started seriously questioning the sanity of the devout.
Joe Sixpack and I were having pizza the other night when he noticed the toppings were arranged in an exact replica of Leonardo Da Vinci's Last Supper. http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/pizza.gif
When we sprinkled parmesan cheese on it, we couldn't prevent ourselves from belching a most glorious and devout hallelujah chorus. http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/cheers.gif

Then our wives told us we were being disgusting and they gave the rest of the pizza to the kids.http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/eat.gif

Some people have no respect for spiritual things. http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/console.gif
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:35 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
You are asking a question that has no answer - yet. However, there is evidence that our universe is in an expansion that supports the big bang theory.

You must realize that this planet is billions of years old. Our science and technology about our universe is a recent phenomenon. The astronomers that first studied the galaxies didn't have the instruments we have at our disposal today.

You can continue to ask foolish questions you know are not answerable today, but most scientists/physicists of today agree on the big bang theory.


So, scientists agree on the big bang theory and you accept it because of that?

Where is your proof? Real Life asks you a question and you say there is no answer yet and we are to accept that?

Funny, but it seems to me you do not accept this kind of an answer from creationists.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:40 pm
Is time linear?
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:43 pm
The problem of assuming there is an answer to "where" assumes that a "when" is already a given.

In other words to say that:

"First" there "was" nothing and "then" there "was" something

..isn't necessarily true.



(edit: carnt spel reel good)
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:51 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
How far back does my geneology go? All I could obtain from Japan was only three generations back from my grandfather. Written history in Japan is scarce except for royalty. Going back a vew hundred generations, I believe all of our ancestors originated in Africa - yours too.

C.I.,

Oh, and very funny about the geneology. ha ha.


Just curious MA. Since I do not see any humor there, was it c.i.'s assertion that his and your ancestors originated in Africa that you thought to be funny?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 11:09 pm
mesquite wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
How far back does my geneology go? All I could obtain from Japan was only three generations back from my grandfather. Written history in Japan is scarce except for royalty. Going back a vew hundred generations, I believe all of our ancestors originated in Africa - yours too.

C.I.,

Oh, and very funny about the geneology. ha ha.


Just curious MA. Since I do not see any humor there, was it c.i.'s assertion that his and your ancestors originated in Africa that you thought to be funny?
No Mesquite.

We were talking about the miracle of birth I believe. C.I., said something to the effect that he was not a product of a miracle but of a union between his mother and father. I then asked him well where did he think they came from?

I consider birth to be a miracle. He was being sarcastic with me and I said what I said as if I was say "very funny."

It had nothing to do with what he said being funny at all.
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