MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:24 am
@coldjoint,
thanks for proving my point, joint.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:44 am
@MontereyJack,
He's the disappointment that never disappoints. He's just like clockwork.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:56 am
How the Supreme Court Lets Cops Get Away With Murder

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/opinion/Minneapolis-police-George-Floyd.html

The courts protected police abuses for years before George Floyd’s death. It’s time to rethink “qualified immunity.”

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

May 29, 2020

<snip>

Police officers don’t face justice more often for a variety of reasons — from powerful police unions to the blue wall of silence to cowardly prosecutors to reluctant juries. But it is the Supreme Court that has enabled a culture of violence and abuse by eviscerating a vital civil rights law to provide police officers what, in practice, is nearly limitless immunity from prosecution for actions taken while on the job. The badge has become a get-out-of-jail-free card in far too many instances.

In 1967, the same year the police chief of Miami coined the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” to threaten civil rights demonstrators, the Supreme Court first articulated a notion of “qualified immunity.” In the case of police violence against a group of civil rights demonstrators in Mississippi, the court decided that police officers should not face legal liability for enforcing the law “in good faith and with probable cause.”

<snip>

In the five decades since the doctrine’s invention, qualified immunity has expanded in practice to excuse all manner of police misconduct, from assault to homicide. As the legal bar for victims to challenge police misconduct has been raised higher and higher by the Supreme Court, the lower courts have followed. A major investigation by Reuters earlier this year found that “since 2005, the courts have shown an increasing tendency to grant immunity in excessive force cases — rulings that the district courts below them must follow. The trend has accelerated in recent years.” What was intended to prevent frivolous lawsuits against agents of the government, the investigation concluded, “has become a highly effective shield in thousands of lawsuits seeking to hold cops accountable when they are accused of using excessive force.”

<snip>

As the militarization of police tactics and technology has accelerated in the past two decades, pleas from liberals and conservatives to narrow the doctrine of qualified immunity, and to make it easier to hold police and other officials accountable for obvious civil rights violations, have grown to a crescendo. The Supreme Court is considering more than a dozen cases to hear next term that could do just that. One case involves a police officer in Georgia who, while pursuing a suspect, held a group of young children at gunpoint, fired two bullets at the family dog, missed and hit a 10-year-old boy in the arm. Another involves officers who used tear gas grenades to enter a home when they’d been given a key to the front door.

<snip>
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Joe Biden wrote the script for this moment decades ago.
This is the result of his handiwork. Him and Bill Clinton.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:50 am
Who wrote the script for this:

Fearing for his life


Ramsey Orta filmed the killing of Eric Garner. The video traveled far, but it wouldn't get justice for his dead friend. Instead, the NYPD would exact their revenge through targeted harassment and eventually imprisonment — Orta's punishment for daring to show the world police brutality.

By Chloé Cooper Jones | March 13, 10:00am ESTPhotography by Amelia Holowaty Krales

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18253848/eric-garner-footage-ramsey-orta-police-brutality-killing-safety

<snip>

In New York state, a grand jury returns a true bill of indictment if a bare majority — 12 of the 23 sitting jurors — believes there’s enough evidence to proceed to a criminal trial. Daniel Pantaleo’s grand jury sat for nine weeks. Ramsey Orta was the first of 50 witnesses to testify. His video, along with the medical examiner’s report, provided clear evidence that Pantaleo had used an illegal chokehold on Garner. A “chokehold” is defined in the NYPD patrol guide as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe,” which hinders breathing. Orta’s video showed that Pantaleo had continued to apply pressure to Garner’s windpipe after Garner was on the ground, subdued, and had repeatedly said that he couldn’t breathe. Still, the Staten Island grand jury declined to indict Pantaleo.

The ruling further reinforced the reality of the tremendous authority police officers have to determine a necessary use of force. Barely a week prior, a St. Louis County grand jury declined to indict Darren Wilson, the officer who shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black man, in Ferguson, Missouri. A year later, a grand jury would come to the same decision in regard to Timothy Loehmann, the officer who — after only two seconds on the scene — shot and killed an unarmed black child, Tamir Rice. No charges were brought against the officers involved in Alton Sterling’s death in Baton Rouge. Officer Jeronimo Yanez was charged with second-degree manslaughter for the death of Philando Castile, only to be acquitted. The trials for the Baltimore police officers involved in the death of Freddie Gray ended in a mistrial and more acquittals.

In 2014, President Obama requested millions in federal grants to fund the expansion of body-worn cameras for on-duty police officers. The move was supported by many across the political spectrum as a chance to improve transparency and accountability in law enforcement and to ease tensions between police and the communities they’re tasked to protect. But President Obama was smart enough to know that more video — more proof — wasn’t going to fix anything. “There is a role for technology to play in building additional trust and accountability, but it’s not a panacea,” he warned.

In 2015, Officer Ray Tensing shot and killed Samuel DuBose, an unarmed black man, during a traffic stop. Tensing claimed that he “feared for his life” after DuBose started his car and began to drive away with Tensing’s arm caught through the driver’s window. His bodycam footage directly contradicted this account. He was indicted, but the charges were dismissed. In 2017, Betty Jo Shelby was acquitted in the shooting death of an unarmed black man, Terence Crutcher, despite police video showing Crutcher with his hands up in compliance. When asked why she fired her weapon, Shelby said, “I feared for my life.”
"For police, this near-total authority is protected by our judicial system"

In 2016, jurors were shown bodycam footage that clearly depicted Milwaukee resident Sylville K. Smith running from police. Cornered, Smith gave up the chase, threw his gun over a fence, and put his hands up in surrender. Then police officer Dominique Heaggan-Brown shot Smith, killing him. The defense attorney told the jury Heaggan-Brown acted out of fear for his life. The jury found the officer not guilty.

After Pantaleo’s trial concluded, Esaw Snipes, Eric’s widow, said, “There’s no doubt in my mind or the mind of all the people out there in the world. What we saw in that video cannot be disputed. How they disputed it, I don’t know.”

Why is video evidence not enough in any of these cases? How is it that we can argue and erase what can be plainly seen with our own eyes? History has repeatedly given us the answer: America’s protected ideal is power, not justice. State power is consolidated by maintaining the authority to determine what counts as an appropriate use of force. For police, this near-total authority is protected by our judicial system.

In 1989, the Supreme Court case Graham v. Connor established a “reasonableness standard,” which is a powerful weapon of defense for police in excessive-force cases. The case involved Dethorne Graham, a black man from North Carolina, who had suffered a broken foot and other injuries after police officers mistook his diabetic shock for drunken belligerence. Conservative Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s delivered opinion put forth the precedent that the Fourth Amendment be used to determine whether “officers’ actions are ‘objectively reasonable’ in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them.” When evaluating the reasonableness of the action taken, one must take into consideration that police officers are “often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation.”

Jurors in excessive-force cases now are given explicit instructions to think from “the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene,” keeping in mind that the nature of police work requires these “split-second decisions.” When the officer testifies that they acted out of fear for their lives, the Graham v. Connor decision requires jurors to try on that alleged fear and to view the incident through the eyes of the officer, not the victim. This is a powerfully empathetic, imaginative act.

Humans are inherently, psychologically motivated to reduce the discomfort of cognitive dissonance, and fewer things will create more painful cognitive dissonance than watching those sworn to protect shoot and kill a civilian who posed no threat to them. Our minds protect us, often without our realizing it, by latching on to narratives that can reconcile such tragic opposing facts. It is easier to see the victims as one-dimensional criminals, threatening the fearful police, and therefore deserving of whatever comes their way.

And so it becomes easy — for jurors and the public alike — to trust authority and leave the dead confined to the margins of our imagination.

The victims are gone. They can’t testify. They can’t tell us of their fear for their lives.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:03 am
When asked in 1968 how he would define “law and order,” Nixon said: “I have often said that you cannot have order unless you have justice, because if you stifle dissent, if you just stifle progress, you’re going to have an explosion and you’re going to have disorder. On the other hand, you can’t have progress without order.”
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:41 am
Be very careful at protests—and for the rest of your life in America.
It appears that COINTELPRO is underway to give our government an excuse to lockdown on us to a deeper degree.

Whatever you thought you had here is being taken away.

We are a corporate dystopia, enforced by militarized police, the CIA, and all your favorite unaccountable shady organizations.

Thanks, Centrists.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:43 am
@Lash,
interesting post. stupid last line.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:13 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Actually, the other 3 cops did more than “enable “. Different camera angles show them all help pin down the nonresisting, handcuffed, suffocating Black man.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:26 pm
@snood,
I saw the second tape last night. I am shocked how they they physically contributed to the murder of Floyd. The police release implied they stood by. Two had hands on him and were holding him down. The fourth was trying to shield what was going on from the the first biographer. I think three of them should be charged with murder. The fourth definitely contributed. This is so blatant. They meant to kill him and they did it calmly and deliberately.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:59 pm
All four should be charged with murder.
One of those men should’ve stopped the murderer.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 05:18 pm
I think the “fix” is already in, to exonerate Chauvin and his cohorts. If you read the medical examiner’s statement (It’s a paragraph toward the end of the charging document) it says that Floyd’s death was most likely the result of pre-existing conditions and potential intoxicants in his system. NOT the fact that a full-grown man was kneeling on his windpipe for 8 minutes, even after Floyd was non-responsive.

Horseshit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/derek-chauvin-criminal-complaint-trnd/index.html

coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 05:33 pm
@snood,
Quote:
I think the “fix” is already in, to exonerate Chauvin and his cohorts.

You trust the doctors that have told you to stay inside and ruin the economy, but you do not trust this one? Horseshit.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 06:42 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
All four should be charged with murder.

Only one of them killed the guy.


Lash wrote:
One of those men should’ve stopped the murderer.

They probably trusted that he was subduing the guy correctly and didn't realize that there was a real problem with what he was doing.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 06:55 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Lash wrote:
All four should be charged with murder.

Only one of them killed the guy.


Lash wrote:
One of those men should’ve stopped the murderer.

They probably trusted that he was subduing the guy correctly and didn't realize that there was a real problem with what he was doing.


Is it in the realm of the possible to you that they knew they were killing the guy, and that it was acceptable to them?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 06:56 pm
@snood,
I guess there is a one in a billion chance, but I don't think it's a realistic possibility.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:06 pm
Quote:
I guess I should just be thankful that Incels like you don’t reproduce.

I have two grown sons. Both heterosexual.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:11 pm
@snood,
Let alone two others helped hold him down. I just got done watching six different videos including two security tapes, two cop tapes and two witness tapes. The vivtim was co operative after two cops pulled him out of his car. He was dragged back and forth several times. A crowd gathered. the victim didn't seem high to me. As he's moved back and forth to a cop car, sat down and pulled back up, he seems a little upset. The "kneeler moved his car up from the car they start to put the victim into, then take hi out and move him to the second car. It seems to me me the three cops are agitated and It seems the second prowler car was moved to get it out of security camera range. After the initial "trouble getting him out of his car, he was compliant and easily moved around by the skinny bald young cop who handcuffed the victim. They go behind to the street side of the 2nd car and knock the victim down. two holding him down and one kneeling on the victims neck.

They were getting "even" and freaking killed him.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:19 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
They were getting "even" and freaking killed him.

You do not what went on in the minds of those cops. Now if someone believes and repeats it you have started an unfounded rumor. The truth means **** to you.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 07:22 pm
https://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/ferguson-october42.jpg
 

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