blatham
 
  4  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 06:48 pm
This is very good news
Quote:
Record breaker: 19.7 million tuned in to NBC and MSNBC for debate last night, setting an all-time high for a Democratic primary debate
NYMag
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 06:53 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
This is very good news

Sure is, now more people know they have nothing to offer.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 06:59 pm
I do find it odd that Roger Stone is convicted and jailed for lying to investigators while former FBI Director Comey, his assistant McCabe and Hillary Clinton are not even charged for their equivalent deceptions.in both responding to investigations and (in the first two cases) lies to FISA courts while conducting their own.

Meanwhile the Democrat dilemma remains deep and broad. How do they choose between two non Party, opportunist candidates, one (Bernie Sanders) with the very enthusiastic backing of about 30% of Democrat voters in most areas of the country, and the other, a billionaire former RINO, who is simply buying his way towards the selection (and by all available evidence doing reasonably well at it so far)?

Lots of attention is being paid now to the relative merits, compared to these two outsiders, of the field of loyal party alternatives (plus one silicon Valley billionaire, Tom Stayer), - all led currently by Joe Biden. However the evidence so far indicates none of these regulars has much chance of beating Trump in the coming election. Indeed, despite his very vocal and committed minority Bernie Sanders fits in that category too (His candidacy would likely be a replay of the McGovern candidacy of 1972- a disaster for Democrats).

To the extent that all this remains true (and I believe it will so remain), this means that Bloomberg, despite all the faults being bandied about now, is likely their best chance of beating Trump. What will be the cost to party unity of selecting him? Is it even possible for Bloomberg to get and keep the approval and loyalty of all the important Democrat voters he will need to win? Will voter turnout be a factor?

Lots of tough questions and choices here, and making them while preserving party unity will likely be a tough challenge.

I can't think of a better and more deserving group of people to face these challenges !
RABEL222
 
  3  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 07:06 pm
@georgeob1,
You seem to have forgotten Trumps 25 million dollar fine Trump had to pay for cheating a bunch of people out of their collage education.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 07:08 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Trumps 25 million dollar fine Trump had to pay

Did he pay it? Case closed.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 07:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
https://www.courrierinternational.com/sites/ci_master/files/styles/image_original_765/public/assets/images/martirena_2020-02-18-2734.jpg
Martirena (Cuba)

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Bloom-Boost-LI-600.jpg
A.F. Branco (USA)
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snood
 
  3  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 05:04 am
Is it rank hypocrisy that Bernie and his followers pushed for a contested convention in 2016 when he trailed in numbers, but now they argue against it because they’re leading? Or is that just my bias against Bernie?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/bernie-sanders-pushed-contested-convention-2016-now-he-wants-avoid-one/
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 05:27 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I do find it odd that Roger Stone is convicted and jailed for lying to investigators
God, george. Why don't you take 30 minutes and get yourself educated on the charges he was found guilty of and why the judge sentenced as she did? Here you are just parroting what Trump and right wing media are pushing.
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blatham
 
  2  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 05:36 am
@snood,
Quote:
Is it rank hypocrisy that Bernie and his followers pushed for a contested convention in 2016 when he trailed in numbers, but now they argue against it because they’re leading?
I'm afraid it is that. Along with the refusal to release his medical records, it's troublesome. He may want this too much and for reasons that aren't altogether altruistic. If honesty, transparency and integrity are his brand, he's hurting the brand.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 05:36 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Is it rank hypocrisy that Bernie and his followers pushed for a contested convention in 2016 when he trailed in numbers, but now they argue against it because they’re leading? Or is that just my bias against Bernie?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/bernie-sanders-pushed-contested-convention-2016-now-he-wants-avoid-one/


It shows your bias against Bernie.

Bernie was ruthlessly cheated by Clinton and the establishment with superdelegates — and if they hadn’t cheated Bernie, Trump would be nothing more than a weird memory.

He could have addressed the convention, showed them the numbers that proved he could beat trump, and that the very cheating they did to erase his support were the reasons Hillary could not win where she needed to to win the electoral college.

You guys cheated your way into a trump presidency and you’re trying to do it again. Democrats are adverse to learning from their mistakes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10098414/amp

Excerpt
How Democratic Superdelegates Decided the 2016 Election

Antonio Moore

Contributor
Los Angeles Attorney, Emmy Nominated Producer 'Freeway Crack in The System' Documentary
05/23/2016 06:53 PM ET
|
Updated Dec 06, 2017
The effect of Superdelegates on the Democratic nomination process has never been more apparent than in the 2016 election. Created in 1982 largely by the party establishment, the superdelegate was to serve as a safeguard to ensure a populous candidate did not take the nomination, and keep the Democrats out of the White House. This election more than any prior, proves no one can say what a populous candidate might be able to do once they get to the presidential debate stage. Polls show if Bernie Sanders were allowed to run as the Democratic nominee, he would do quite well against Donald Trump.

Superdelegates are largely comprised of party establishment, according to NBC News

Superdelegates are unpledged delegates to the Democratic convention, meaning that they aren't beholden to the results from the primaries and the caucuses (the way pledged delegates are). They are, for the most part, current and former Democratic politicians. They make up 15 percent of all delegates (714 out of 4,765) -- down from 20 percent in 2008. And they are free to support the presidential candidate of their choice at the convention. According to NBC News' latest count 4/11/2016, Clinton leads Sanders in superdelegates, 460-38.

Focusing in and looking at a state like New Hampshire, we can clearly see how superdelegates have effected this race. At the polls Bernie Sanders won New Hampshire's pledged delegates by a landslide 22 percent. Bernie Sanders received 60.4 percent of the poll vote, just about 150,000 votes. Clinton received 38 percent of the poll vote, tallying just about 95,000 votes. Yet, all six Democratic New Hampshire superdelegates gave their support to Hillary Clinton, effectively erasing Sanders win, leading both candidates to leave the state with the same 15 delegates. The six votes of support by Governor Maggie Hassan, Representative Ann Kuster, Senator Jeanne Shaheen, and DNC members Bill Shaheen, Kathy Sullivan, and Joanne Dowdell, effectively erased the impact of 55,000 Democratic voters on this election.

According to MSN today Clinton leads in pledged votes, with 1768, while Sanders has 1494.

But to look at the aftermath of the vote count we truly have to critically evaluate the start. Hillary Clinton entered Super Tuesday in March in a virtual tie in pledged delegates with both candidates holding just about 50 pledged delegates, yet she held the support of nearly 400 super delegates. This early lead created the visual that Sanders could not defeat her for many voters, clearly affecting the race.

In effect this year, more than any before superdelegates may have not only decided the Democratic nominee, but they likely also chose the next President of the United States.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 05:44 am
She was DNC's presiding officer for the 2016 Dem convention.

WBAL NewsRadio 1090 and FM 101.5
@wbalradio
· 13h
Former Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake endorses Michael Bloomberg and joins his campaign as a national political co-chair. https://wbal.com/article/437285/3/rawlings-blake-named-national-political-co-chair-for-bloomberg-campaign
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blatham
 
  3  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 05:58 am
Barr claimed that Trump's tweets involving DOJ prosecutions before the courts make it impossible for Barr to do his job seem to be contradicted by Trump's continued tweeting on them and Barr continuing to do his job. Odd.
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blatham
 
  4  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 06:15 am
@blatham,
To be fair, Warren has reversed her position on taking in Super PAC money. I don't blame her but this ought to be noted.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 06:48 am
A portion of Trump's rally speech in Colorado Springs on Thursday

Quote:
“And you know we’re working with a cloud we’re working with these people they want to take you out. They want to change the results. They got caught spying — let’s say it like it is, right? They got caught spying on our election, fake news. Hey fake news [points to media area] take your cameras for a change and show ‘em the room. And show ‘em behind you. Go ahead, show ‘em the room.

Who, reading this, cannot be reminded of Lincoln at Cooper Union
Quote:
Mr. President and fellow citizens of New York: -

The facts with which I shall deal this evening are mainly old and familiar; nor is there anything new in the general use I shall make of them. If there shall be any novelty, it will be in the mode of presenting the facts, and the inferences and observations following that presentation.

In his speech last autumn, at Columbus, Ohio, as reported in "The New-York Times," Senator Douglas said:

"Our fathers, when they framed the Government under which we live, understood this question just as well, and even better, than we do now."

I fully indorse this, and I adopt it as a text for this discourse. I so adopt it because it furnishes a precise and an agreed starting point for a discussion between Republicans and that wing of the Democracy headed by Senator Douglas. It simply leaves the inquiry: "What was the understanding those fathers had of the question mentioned?"

What is the frame of government under which we live?...


To be totally fair though, Trump sometimes places himself as second beneath Lincoln in terms of greatest president rankings.
Quote:
"Great president," Trump said of Lincoln in March of this year. "Most people don't even know he was a Republican. Right? Does anyone know? A lot of people don't know that. We have to build that up a little more."
CNN

See how he takes the time and care to educate Americans on what most of them don't know. That's what Lincoln would have done.





Lash
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 08:49 am
@blatham,
Thank you for being fair. It makes a huge difference.
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revelette3
 
  3  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 09:11 am
Health care is top priority at Nevada caucus
Quote:

Nevada has one of the worst health care systems in the country, according to a recent report. Voters in the state, however, have conflicting views on how to fix health care. Maria Elena Salinas talks with voters as part of the CBS News series Every State Has A Story.


The above link is to CBS to a video with interviews with some Nevadans with different views. It will be interesting to see if the Culinary Union has any impact on the caucus.

Medicare For All will never pass the Senate and might not the House if we don't manage to keep the majority. Mitch Mcconnell wouldn't listen to a revolution if it was staged right outside his home. I wish Presidential primaries would talk about things a president can do all his or her own without approval from congress.
revelette3
 
  3  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 10:20 am
Quote:
To a certain extent, complexity is a feature, not a bug, of caucuses. And as hard as the Nevada Democratic Party is trying to make Saturday’s caucuses user-friendly, there will still be that pesky multi-step voting process and three different sets of results to wade through. To help you make sense of it all, here’s our guide to how the Nevada caucuses will work — plus how our primary forecast handles all their quirks, and what that might mean for the race moving forward.

Like in Iowa, participants in the Nevada caucuses will physically align themselves with other supporters of their candidate by going to a designated corner of the room. (Caucusgoers can also join an “uncommitted” group as if “uncommitted” were a candidate on the ballot.)

Caucus organizers will then count up the number of people in each group to produce a candidate’s first alignment vote. (In Nevada, this also includes the first choices of people who voted early. This is the first time Nevada offered this as an option, and nearly 75,000 people took advantage of it — quite impressive when you consider that total turnout in the 2016 Nevada Democratic caucuses was about 84,000.)

This is the first of the three sets of election results that Nevada will put out. Think of this first alignment vote like the raw popular vote that primary states report. It’s also what polls of the Nevada caucuses are measuring.

Next up is the famous realignment process. Any candidate that does not meet a given precinct’s “viability threshold” (usually 15 percent of the first alignment vote1) is deemed nonviable, and his or her supporters can thus “realign.” They can choose to join another candidate’s group, or they can simply go home. If their first-choice candidate was just barely nonviable — say, he received 14 percent of the first alignment vote — they can also try to persuade supporters of other nonviable candidates to join their group, in a last-ditch effort to become viable. Voters in viable candidate groupings are locked in, however, and cannot realign.

Realignment is also where early voters’ full ballots will come into play. (Early voters were asked to rank between three and five candidates from their first choice to their last choice.) Because they are not physically present, early voters’ second-, third-, fourth- and fifth-place picks are used to realign them if their first-choice candidate isn’t still in the running. For instance, if an early voter’s first choice is Sen. Amy Klobuchar, her second choice is Sen. Elizabeth Warren and her third choice is philanthropist Tom Steyer, but both Klobuchar and Warren are not viable at her precinct and Steyer is, that voter would be reassigned to Steyer’s camp.

After this process is finished, we are left with the final alignment vote. Notably, this is what our model simulates when projecting a candidate’s expected share of the vote in caucus states. In other words, when our primary forecast says that Sen. Bernie Sanders is expected to win 35 percent of the vote in Nevada, that’s a projection of his final alignment vote.

You can read the details of how our model simulates the realignment process here, but here are the three most important things to keep in mind:

Other things being equal, the model assumes that larger groups will have an easier time attracting new supporters.

Conversely, just-barely-nonviable groups will have a harder time doing so in an effort to get over the viability hump. In some simulations of the model, these groups are successful at wooing supporters of other nonviable candidates; other times, they fail to do so.

Finally, we use a proximity rating to estimate how close the candidates are to one another along a number of ideological and other dimensions. This is a fairly rough method, so our assumptions are fairly conservative — i.e., if Warren voters are trying to decide whether to realign with Sanders or former Vice President Joe Biden, the model doesn’t assume 100 percent of them will go to Sanders, more like about three-fifths of them — but it’s a way to try and gauge where some supporters might go in the realignment process.

After the final alignment, there is still one more set of results to calculate: the number of county delegates2 a candidate has won. Here’s how that works:

Each precinct is worth a fixed number of county delegates based on the number of Democrats registered to vote there, and those delegates are assigned to candidates proportionally based on the final alignment vote totals. All precincts’ county delegate tallies are then added together to produce a statewide total; these are the numbers you’re likely to hear most often in news reports. This is because, before this year, county delegate results were the only results released to the public, and county delegates are still the measure used to select Nevada’s 36 pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. (I will mercifully spare you the task of explaining the math of that process, but the masochists among you can geek out about it here.)

In predicting who gets a polling boost from “winning” Nevada, our model puts the most weight on the county delegate results — but it also gives a candidate credit for winning the first alignment and final alignment votes. (Specifically, candidate bounces in the model are based on two factors: (1) a candidate’s vote share and (2) a binary variable that indicates whether he or she won the state. We use county delegate percentages to calculate the vote share bounce and will credit up to three “winners” for the binary variable, giving 80 percent to the candidate who got the most county delegates, 10 percent to the candidate who won the final alignment vote and 10 percent to the candidate who won the first alignment vote.)

Of course, this will only matter if different candidates win the three measures. Here’s what our model is forecasting in Nevada not only for the final alignment vote (the number that is displayed publicly), but also for the first alignment vote as of Friday morning:

(see source)

The model currently forecasts that Sanders will receive 29 percent of the first alignment vote, 12 points more than Biden in second place. But it expects Sanders to gain more than 5 points in realignment, pushing him to 35 percent of the final alignment vote. This might be too optimistic for Sanders, though. After all, the day before the Iowa caucuses, the model predicted that Sanders would gain 4.5 points from first to final alignment, but his actual increase was just 1.8 points.3 Then again, if there aren’t any big polling surprises in Nevada, Sanders may be the only viable candidate at many precincts, which wasn’t true in Iowa. That would obviously greatly help his final alignment vote.

As for the other candidates, Biden and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg barely gain any extra support, and, unsurprisingly, the candidates who are projected to get less than 15 percent statewide in the first alignment are expected to lose support in realignment (they will probably be nonviable at many precincts).

The model doesn’t attempt to forecast how final alignment translates into county delegates, but if Sanders has anywhere close to that 17-point lead on final alignment, he should easily win the most county delegates as well.

However, the tendency for Sanders voters to be highly concentrated in certain precincts (like college campuses) can be a disadvantage in the votes-to-delegates conversion, given that precincts are capped at a fixed number of county delegates no matter how high turnout in them soars. So in a closer-than-expected race, it is possible that Sanders wins the popular vote — again — but another candidate is named the “official” Nevada winner by virtue of winning the most county delegates.

Democracy!


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-nevadas-three-sets-of-results-could-affect-who-wins/
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 11:15 am
@revelette3,
I want less presidential rules and more congressional oversite. We fought a war to get rid of a king we sure as hell don't need one now. Especially not a mentally deficient one who controls nuclear weapons. The president is supposed to enforce congressional laws not make them. More people need to read the constitution.
Setanta
 
  3  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 11:30 am
@RABEL222,
Congress has abdicated its powers to the presidents. It's easier for them to avoid oversight than the single officer-holder who controls the executive. If you want a more effective Congress, then you need to contact your representative and your senators and let them know you're p.o.'d.
blatham
 
  4  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 12:22 pm
Quote:
Right Wing Watch
@RightWingWatch
1h
This is now the fifth time that Jim Bakker has claimed that the silver solution he sells "kills every venereal disease that there is," declaring that the product is "almost like a miracle": "It's like God created it in Heaven to help us."
$300 for 12 bottles. Also a cure for the coronavirus, he has claimed previously.

As with Media Matters, I tip my hat to the RWW people. Imagine having to monitor this stuff day after day.
 

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