Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 08:11 am
Montana State legislator Rodney Garcia insists constitution says socialists should be jailed or shot.
In responding to a speech in Helena on Friday by former US interior secretary Ryan Zinke, Billings state representative Rodney Garcia said "he was concerned about socialists 'entering our government' and socialists 'everywhere' in Billings", before saying "the constitution says to either shoot socialists or put them in jail".
Quote:
HELENA — A Billings Republican legislator said Saturday he believes the U.S. Constitution calls for the shooting or jailing of those who identify as socialists.

State Rep. Rodney Garcia, from House District 52 on the South Side, first made a statement in the form of an unprompted question at a state party gathering in Helena Friday meant to kick off election season and offer training for party members and candidates.

In his question after a speech by former Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke, who was Montana’s representative in the U.S. House for two years, Garcia said he was concerned about socialists “entering our government” and socialists “everywhere” in Billings, before saying the Constitution says to either shoot socialists or put them in jail.
[...]
On Saturday, a reporter asked Garcia to clarify his remarks.

“So actually in the Constitution of the United States (if) they are found guilty of being a socialist member you either go to prison or are shot,” Garcia said.

Garcia could not to point to where in the Constitution it says socialists could be shot or jailed.

Asked to clarify if he thought it was fair to shoot or jail a socialist, including those who live in Montana, Garcia said yes.

“They’re enemies of the free state,” Garcia said. “What do we do with our enemies in war? In Vietnam, (Afghanistan), all those. What did we do?”

Asked if that was an appropriate response to his opponent from the last election cycle, Garcia said “according to the Constitution, I’m telling you.”
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Billings Gazette
revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 10:28 am
@Lash,
Quote:
The campaigns on the ground will tell you that the Iowa caucuses are about organizing in a way that’s different from any other state.

“Success in the Iowa caucuses demands precinct-level organization in every corner of the state — east to west, urban to suburban to rural, and among every constituency,” Jason Noble, Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s Iowa spokesperson, told Vox in November.

You have to think about ensuring a caucus-goer can get off work, has a ride to the precinct, and can access the child care needed to be able to spend three-plus hours shuffling around a high school gym to vote. And it also means campaigns need that infrastructure in place across the whole state.

“It’s not whether you can run up a score in one precinct but if you can be viable in a lot of different kinds of precincts,” Jesse Harris, a veteran of Obama’s Iowa operation who is now advising Biden’s campaign, told Vox this fall.

Campaigns including Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, and Biden — among those that are most likely to meet the 15 percent threshold in any given precinct — said they are hoping to staff every single precinct with volunteers. Sanders’s campaign has trained over 1,000 caucus volunteers to date, which involves a four-part course around delegate math, persuading voters on the ground, and organizing. These volunteers, and the tens of thousands of others who have donated or organized on the ground will be crucial to the campaign’s final push.

“This is not about big crowds,” Misty Rebik, Sanders’s Iowa state director, told Vox in November. “We are very proud of our crowd sizes at our events but we know it has to go deeper than that.”

Voters’ second choice might matter more this election

Several national polls have given a snapshot of voters’ second choices — but much of the focus has been around the top-tier candidates like Warren, Sanders, Biden, and Buttigieg.

Those are the four candidates that have been leading Iowa polls for months now, but Sen. Amy Klobuchar is also very much in the mix. Sanders is now ahead by a slight margin, with Biden trailing him, according to the latest RealClearPolitics average. But all in all, the polls show a race that’s still very fluid.

To win the state, the second choice for voters that back the other seven candidates, from entrepreneur Andrew Yang to Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO), is far more powerful. The lower-tier candidates, those who are still only registering single digits in the polls, will likely be cut from the running in the first round of caucusing, unable to gain 15 percent of support, and their supporters will have to decide whether they want to vote for their second choice or go home.

“The second choices are going to matter more than they usually do because there’s going to be a lot of not viable candidates,” Deeth said. This math has some campaigns that have consistently been polling in the double digits — but not quite in the lead — feeling more optimistic.

“The 15 percent threshold is going to be important in this election,” Rebik said. “It’s fine if people think they are going to gain momentum magically, but at the end of they day they have to be viable.”

This process, called realignment, has been a crucial part of organizing for campaigns from the beginning. Sanders staffers told Vox last fall they’re focused on training volunteers to make the case in the room. Rebik noted the campaign is also working on technology to help the campaign’s precinct captain do the delegate math in the room — and send results more quickly to headquarters.

As did Biden’s campaign.

“From the very beginning, if someone is supporting another candidate, we will ask if the vice president will be their second choice — we have been coding that from the beginning,” Harris said. “If you can walk in the door with 25 percent of the [caucus-goers], you could walk out with 35 percent.”

It is really anybody’s race to win, as long as they can prove their organizing chops can effectively span the entire state. It means covering a lot of ground, but not necessarily bringing in a lot of people.

“A candidate can shake the hand of everybody who will caucus for them in Iowa,” Redlawsk added.


vox
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 10:58 am
@hightor,
Preventing New Hampshire from voting at all in a campaign cycle, and letting Michigan go first in that campaign cycle, would rectify the injustice that the Democrats inflicted on Michigan in 2008.

I'd start voting for (pro-gun) Democrats in general elections again if they did that.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 01:23 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

It’s 2020. Time for Democrats to Ignore These Two States.

Everybody talks about Iowa and New Hampshire, but nobody does anything about it. Here’s an idea.


Ignoring "inconvenient" states didn't do Democrats much good in the 2016 election. It appears the author of the piece you quoted was a bit overfilled with a feeling of self-importance.

hightor
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 02:17 pm
@georgeob1,
The idea, georgeob, is to reform the primary system. There's nothing sacred about the way things are set up now and many people have expressed some concern over the process. Tomasky is simply offering one way that we might remedy the situation. I don't know why you feel the need to castigate people who offer political commentary. Are you a proponent of the current method of selecting candidates?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 02:55 pm
@hightor,
I believe your "castigation' description overstates the content of my post. I was referring mostly to the author's odd (in my view) statements about ignoring inconvenient states that aren't presumed to be truly representative of his concepts of the Democrat electorate. This appears to involve flawed attitudes and assumptions similar to those the Clinton campaign made in 2016. Hillary's threats to shut down the coal industry (unnecessary, as the economics of new technology and the gas boom was doing it already); her description of the voters who might favor her opponent as "deplorables"; and her remarkable decision to skip campaigning in states also seen as not completely representative of the assumed Democrat electorate -- certainly didn't help her in her failed effort to win the Presidency.

The DNC continues to play with and adjust important details of its primary system, including it's own process for the final stages in the Convention. I don't claim to know their motives, but much of it looks like an effort to tame their emerging far left wing contingent, and rig the system to deliver a preferred outcome, while preserving an exaggerated appearance of democratic process. So far it isn't evident to me that these efforts have improved its situation very much. An element of "progressive" thinking appears to be at work here - the notion that self-appointed savants can design processes to guide the behaviors of others, and do so without unexpected side effects.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 03:18 pm
@georgeob1,
I pay exactly zero attention to the early voting states. I pay attention to what the candidates have to say and their historical truth. Than I vote for the one I think is good for the whole country. Not for the billionaires who already control government through bought congressmen.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 03:23 pm
@RABEL222,
Are you referring to billionaires like Mike Bloomberg, Tom Steyer and George Soros?
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revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 03:54 pm
Well, somehow, Bloomberg has climbed to be even with Warren and he is not even campaigning in the two early caucus states. I think it is his commercial ads. I've watched quite a few in my neck of the woods, they're impressive.

Bloomberg rises into third-place tie with Warren in national poll
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 03:55 pm
@revelette3,
Anybody who’s swayed by nothing more than an ad shouldn’t vote—unfortunately, that’s half the country.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 03:57 pm
@revelette3,
Do you have an opinion on that cut and paste?
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revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 04:05 pm
@Lash,
Yes, my opinion is Iowa is a crazy voting state with crazy rules and it's anybody's game. Coming in second doesn't necessarily mean you end up losing in that state as the candidate can pick up votes from candidates who don't make the 15% threshold; which would be Amy Klobuchar and Buttigieg, both moderates. Sanders would probably get Warren unless she makes the 15? threshold.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 04:08 pm
@Lash,



Quote:
...shouldn't vote.


Would that include you?


Aside from that, all eligible voters should vote. Either in person or via the mail.
revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 04:10 pm
Democrats Had a 2020 Vision. This Isn’t Quite What They Expected.

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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 04:14 pm
Soon Bloomberg will start churning out his environmental ads. He got thousands of trees planted during his time as Mayor.

Altered traffic patterns to reduce hazardous fumes on many streets (although it did elevate it elsewhere).

Narrowed some roadways in order to create permanent bike lanes.

Took a ride in an SUV to the subway each morning and respond re that down to City Hall....
revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 05:12 pm
@Sturgis,
Biden has been and continues to be hurt by the impeachment and the debunked Ukraine Bruishma (spell?) conspiracy theory. If he loses Iowa, Bloomberg might rise some more and a lot of democrats who are not quite as enthusiastic for Bernie Sander's will be glad there is an alternative out there with a very good chance to beat Trump. In fact, he might have a better chance than Biden anyway if it wasn't for the "Stop and Frisk" policy which unfairly targeted minorities. I am pretty sure that it was a good faith effort to crack down on crime at the time which had horrible consequences, just like a lot of harsh sentencing and other things in the justice system. But he does have that baggage. So, hard to predict how that will play out.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 05:22 pm
@revelette3,
Biden is definitely having trouble. With the addition to the race of Bloomberg it'll likely get worse.

Bloomberg's added feature is he doesn't tend to stumble or get visibly riled...and he can outdo Trump in 1-liners. Although none of that seems as important as maybe presenting ideas. WELL, he has. In one commercial he talks about how he got much needed healthcare to New Yorkers when he was mayor.

That Pseudo-senator Jodi Ernst has tossed out a comment on how Biden is going to face impeachment proceedings if he gets elected. (I guess she is banking on Congress flipping back to Republican control)

Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 05:58 pm
@Sturgis,
I don’t take commercials as useful information about a candidate.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 05:59 pm
Anyone who has labored under the influence of twenty years or more of obsessive hatred for the Clintons shouldn't vote. Someone who has called Plump her president, and the Republicans her party shouldn't pretend to care about the Democrats.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Mon 3 Feb, 2020 06:00 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Well, somehow, Bloomberg has climbed to be even with Warren and he is not even campaigning in the two early caucus states. I think it is his commercial ads. I've watched quite a few in my neck of the woods, they're impressive.

Bloomberg rises into third-place tie with Warren in national poll

Somehow = billions of dollars
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