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@Lash,

The BBC lost all of their credibility when they spouted outright lies about Amanda Knox.

At this point they might as well just close down and sell their equipment to other networks.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I hope he don't win, there I said it, he will get killed in the general. I would love to be proven wrong.

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@revelette3,

Mr. Trump is going to win no matter who the Democrats nominate.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I believe Sanders could, at least conceivably, win the Democrat Primary. However, I believe he and his brand of socialism would prevent him from ever winning the general election. He has been spouting his free stuff for everyone/ class warfare trope for so long he no longer even attempts to explain how he will get there or how the economy could conceivably sustain it. The final election campaign would force his hand in that area, and wide spread opposition would quickly entail - much as it did with Warren. I suspect much of the recent debate among Democrats has centered chiefly on this issue. He certainly has an intense loyal band of supporters who comprise some 20-25% of the Democrat electorate, but so far at least he hasn't been able to get much past that point - even as competitors in the Primary, notably Elizabeth Warren have faded. The Democrat establishment put Biden in the race precisely as an antidote to the new wave socialists in their party. He increasingly appears to have been seriously flawed as a candidate. For many this appears to open the door for Sanders. However his disabilities remain.

Given the derangement now current among Democrats anything may well be possible. However a 2nd trump term is the most likely outcome.

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Holy crap. Props to the people of France.
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Striking electrical workers in France are reconnecting service to poor families while cutting off power to police stations, management and large companies. ⚡️💪🏽 #WorkersHavePower

Electricity strikers in France light up poor homes this Christmas.. Cut power and gas to bosses...
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@Lash,

I'm not sure why this is progressive - the practice of untimely blackouts is as old as the power grid exists in France. It appeared at the beginning of the 20th century, and has reappeared on an ad hoc basis multiple times over the decades.

And because of this, France has the "Plan Croix Rouge" since 1957, drawn up by managements and unions to ensure the safety of people and property in such circumstances, in particular by maintaining power supplies in hospitals, clinics, for people in need, for public lighting and signalling.

There are no specific provisions in the Electricity and Gas Workers' Statute regarding strikes. There are, however, specific regulations, resulting from internal notes issued in 1989 and 1990, following the major strikes of the winter of 1987 when there were numerous power cuts.
The Benat and Daurès notes thus aim to guarantee the continuity of the public service and the safety of installations, and above all make it possible to rule out interruptions in the supply of electricity.

Staff performing the functions necessary for the safe operation of the electricity system are thus required at their workstations, but they perform only those tasks necessary to maintain the safety of the installations and the operation of the electricity system.

Unions and the EDF had had an agreement of self-limitation of strikes by choosing conflict procedures that do not penalise users

However, this tacit agreement was flagrantly broken for the first time in the spring of 2003, during the social movement against pension reform, and afterwards frequently.

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I no longer wonder why you don’t think something is progressive.
You expend a lot of energy not seeing. Maybe open your eyes first.

Shield your eyes! More details on the anti-government protest.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/12/cuts-power-thousands-homes-french-protests-191217171110136.html

Sabotage' cuts power to thousands of homes amid French protests

The Eiffel Tower was shut as workers walked off the job; even opera singers belted out arias of anger.

18 Dec 2019 GMT+3
French electricity workers on Tuesday sabotaged power networks in Paris and several other French cities, company bosses said, in protest at President Emmanuel Macron's plan to force workers to retire later and receive heavily "reformed" pensions.

Tens of thousands of homes across France were reportedly left without power, said officials at electric grid operator RTE, a unit of state-controlled utility EDF.

"The company firmly condemns the acts of sabotage which have been observed on the electricity network leading to power blackouts," the operator said in a statement.

Asked earlier by French media about the blackouts, Philippe Martinez, head of the CGT union, said his members did not deliberately cut off households, but may sometimes target public buildings and big firms.

Disciplinary proceedings against workers are planned after power generation was reduced by more than 2.4 GW, with blackouts reported mostly at hydrocarbon-powered power plants and hydro-electricity generators.

France has enough capacity to meet its needs, but 167,000 homes in the southwestern Gironde region, and in the cities of Nantes, Lyon and Orleans, were cut off.

The outages came amid continuing widespread protests in Paris and across France against what unions say is a curtailing of workers' benefits.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I no longer wonder why you don’t think something is progressive.
You expend a lot of energy not seeing. Maybe open your eyes first.

I don't see something to be "progressive" when it is established since decades.

Besides that, all what you post about about the strike and electricity is water under the bridge - the problems now (since Christmas) are with the SNCF and RATP.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

18 Dec 2019 GMT+3
French electricity workers on Tuesday sabotaged power networks in Paris and several other French cities, company bosses said, in protest at President Emmanuel Macron's plan to force workers to retire later and receive heavily "reformed" pensions.

Tens of thousands of homes across France were reportedly left without power, said officials at electric grid operator RTE, a unit of state-controlled utility EDF.
[...]
Asked earlier by French media about the blackouts, Philippe Martinez, head of the CGT union, said his members did not deliberately cut off households, but may sometimes target public buildings and big firms.

Disciplinary proceedings against workers are planned after power generation was reduced by more than 2.4 GW, with blackouts reported mostly at hydrocarbon-powered power plants and hydro-electricity generators.

France has enough capacity to meet its needs, but 167,000 homes in the southwestern Gironde region, and in the cities of Nantes, Lyon and Orleans, were cut off.

There some difference between the above quote and the following one

Lash wrote:

Electricity strikers in France light up poor homes this Christmas.. Cut power and gas to bosses...

Actually, Sébastien Menesplier, the "secrétaire général de la CGT Énergie" said before Christmas, that the unions didn't want to harm users during this rolling energy strike. But it happened because that's the way the network and train traffic is made.
"What we're looking for is to have an impact on the economy.", he said on RTL.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1775188/the-french-union-cgt-cut-power-to-an-amazon-facility/amp/

Power To The People has an adjusted meaning.
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Excerpt:
A French union cut power to an Amazon facility in support of workers
By Ephrat LivniDecember 25, 2019
It’s a quintessentially French holiday season as three weeks of labor strikes over proposed pension reforms have halted trains, subways, the national economy, and even, briefly, the god of consumption, Amazon.

One Amazon France location near Paris was expected to get 50,000 packages out the door on the night of Dec. 22. Instead, workers at the Blanc-Mesnil site found themselves in the dark. A strategic pre-holiday attack on electricity left the facility without power and the workers idle.

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@hightor,

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Sanders’s interest in developing world population control

This has been an obvious necessity for a very long time. And the Catholic Church has been a prime impediment to reasoned address to the problem. People who count on God-Magic to protect the world are my least favorite idiots.

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@Lash,

When you read the French reports about that reported strike, you'd notice that the strike is mainly about the working situation at the amazon centres.

In Germany, there's any couple of weeks at amazon - like actually now around Christmas at three centres.

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@Lash,

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★Sphinx★Of★Black★Quartz★
Retweeted your Retweet
Spoke to someone at The BBC yesterday, this person told me they are SHITTING themselves right now, as viewing figures have plummeted since the election. I mean, REALLY plumetted

Do you have any idea whether or not that tweet from god knows who is true? I have been unable to find evidence that it is. And if so, how could he/you have any solid grasp on why it might be so?

Attacks on the BBC (as with the CBC here and PBS in the US) come almost entirely from the right.

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With Echoes of Trump, Boris Johnson Scorns the BBC
The prime minister and his party question the broadcaster’s reliance on fees paid by viewers. They are increasingly at odds with its journalism, too.

NYT Dec 16

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@blatham,

Well, Channel 4 is the most popular TV channel out of the 77 in the UK and the 2nd most famous, BBC One is the 2nd most popular TV channel and the most famous of all.

According to YouGov figures that didn't change.

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@blatham,

That National Review article shows how to cast legitimate environmental concerns in the most sinister light possible.

The criticism of Paul Ehrlich is a good example. He wrote The Population Bomb during a time when population pressures were beginning to be seen as a threat to emerging third world economies. As a result of warnings made by Ehrlich and other prominent social scientists, many countries initiated birth control measures including voluntary male sterilization. This actually led to a temporary decline in population growth — which was the purpose of making the warnings in the first place.

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People aren’t a burden; they are a resource and a gift.

People are an eminently renewable resource, the product of sexual reproduction, not a "gift". Reproduction is simply what animals do. When the population of animals is threatened because of food shortages, endemic disease, or environmental degradation, animal populations suffer and their numbers decline. Letting "nature take its course" is unacceptable in human populations — increasing numbers stress the finite systems which have sustained the population up until that point so there is nothing inaccurate in identifying uncontrolled population growth as a "burden", especially in poor economies.

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Lots of chuckles here in Canada on this

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A day after Christmas, “Fox and Friends” went after the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation for editing President Trump out of its airings of “Home Alone 2: Lost In New York.”

In the film, which the President called “one of the biggest” Christmas movies during a video call with troops abroad earlier this week, Trump briefly appears in a scene where Macaulay Culkin’s character asks him for directions to The Plaza Hotel’s main lobby.

After co-host Ed Henry disputed CBC’s explanation that they edited Trump out of the scene so that it could make more time for commercials, conservative pundit Mark Steyn argued that the CBC is “terrified” that people will remember how Trump was a “beloved mainstream cultural figure” before he was “the new Hitler.”

“That’s who Donald Trump was before he was the new Hitler,” Steyn said. “I think they’re terrified of these little things that will remind people just how deranged his opponents are.”

“Fox & Friends” co-host Katie Pavlich then chimed in that she considers the move by CBC to edit out Trump to be “censorship.”

Later Thursday, the CBC said in a statement that the scene featuring Trump’s brief cameo was edited out in 2014 — prior to Trump’s election in 2016 — to allow more time for commercials.

Editing Trump out for more commercial time is too perfect.

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@blatham,

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Editing Trump out for more commercial time is too perfect.

That is not why it was done, but someone always profits from wrongdoing. It is one of the reasons supposed causes are taken up by some.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Attacks on the BBC (as with the CBC here and PBS in the US) come almost entirely from the right.

Wrong again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/16/vilification-of-corbyn-in-broadcast-media-fuelled-election-defeat-andy-mcdonald

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A leading shadow minister has blamed broadcasters such as the BBC for allowing Jeremy Corbyn to be “demonised and vilified” during the election campaign, as the party struggled to come to terms with the scale of its defeat.
Andy McDonald, the shadow transport secretary, who was one of the most interviewed Labour frontbenchers in the media during the campaign, said the unfairness of the BBC and other broadcasters should make people “worry about our democratic processes”.
The argument over how central Corbyn was to the election loss is set to play a crucial role in the race to become the next Labour leader, a process the party has already begun with a new incumbent set to be elected by the end of March.
Boris Johnson threatens BBC with two-pronged attack
In a sometimes angry interview on BBC Radio 5, McDonald said that in Corbyn’s treatment by the media he had “never in my lifetime known any single individual so demonised and vilified, so grotesquely and so unfairly”.
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Trump and Johnson complain about bias in the news—AS DO Labour and Progressives...

BECAUSE THERE IS BIAS IN THE NEWS.

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@Lash,

McDonald’s outburst came hours after The Guardian reported that Downing Street was considering decriminalising non-payment of the licence fee, while boycotting Radio 4’s Today programme over the broadcaster’s supposed anti-Tory bias.

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@Lash,

Quote:

Quote:
blatham wrote:
Attacks on the BBC (as with the CBC here and PBS in the US) come almost entirely from the right.

Wrong again.

Not wrong. This has been the case in those countries for three decades at minimum. In all, the right has been working to denigrate, defund and weaken public broadcasters and the left has been working to defend them in almost all cases.

Your quote comes from Andy McDonald, the shadow transport secretary. Hardly an objective voice. It's rather like accepting David Nunes' statements on the US media's unfair attacks on Trump. But even aside from that, McDonald is indicting the media generally - which obviously now includes social media. But his comment on the BBC is of a quite different tone.

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“And you know that we have a catalogue of complaints against our public service broadcaster, our precious BBC, which I’m afraid has been brought into the fray.”

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